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todance Posts: 3 |
posted 10-19-2004 04:16 AM
  
I have a silver bracelet inlaid with red stones which has the initials R&W stamped inside and also has a patent number. Can you give any info as to the maker, date, etc. IP: Logged |
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KillerChihuahua Posts: 14 |
posted 10-19-2004 06:32 AM
Could that be R&W Wilson? I don't even know if they made jewelry, or to what era your bracelet belongs, but that's the only R&W I know who worked in silver. It seems unlikely though. Robert and William Wilson of Philadelphia were active approximately from 1824-1870. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I can help you with whether they made any bracelets. [This message has been edited by KillerChihuahua (edited 10-19-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 10-19-2004 11:09 AM
Where did you get this bracelet? It might suggest the origin. US patent numbers can be researched on-line. On the other hand, if English are there other marks such as the official English hallmarks which one might expect if sterling silver? IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 10-19-2004 04:17 PM
I have my doubts about it being made by R & W Wilson of Phil'a. Unfortunately, I would need to see a picture or read a very detailed description to help out more with the dating and possible maker. Can you post a picture or more description (or the patent number)? Patrick: sometimes English jewelry was small enough in weight that it was not required to be stamped with a hallmark, date letter, etc. This jewelry is often stamped with the word SILVER, or no marks at all. I have also seen the English Registry device a couple of times (diamond shaped, with different letters & numerals inside to indicate dates) on non-silver and small silver jewelry items. An American piece will usually read PAT. ###### or some variation, while an English piece will read Rd #####. Todance, how is your item marked? IP: Logged |
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todance Posts: 3 |
posted 10-20-2004 04:06 AM
Here is some more info. Following the initials R&W it has a row of hallmarks. The bracelet has a clip which when pressed releases an inner silver bar to enable wearer to put it over hand. The bar has is inscribed with the patent no. PATENT No 807224 or 897224 (I cannot make out whether it is a "0" or a "9"), then there is another small hallmark. The front of bracelet is etched to look like leaves and flowers and the center of the flowers have red stones, six flowers. Hope that helps. I don't think it can be R & W Wilson as it does not look old enough. I have had the bracelet for about 35 years. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 11-25-2004 11:12 AM
The United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) Above is the web site for the U.S. Patent Office. A search for 807,224 produced a 1905 patent for a Golf Club and for 897,224 produced a 1908 patent for a Corn Husking Machine. Design patents (most often associated with jewelry) have not yet reached the 800,000 number and would normally have a D in front of the number. IP: Logged |
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jamielee1usa Posts: 11 |
posted 11-30-2004 09:12 AM
Without seeing photos of the marks, I am guessing your piece is English. The patent numbers you mention, if the piece is indeed British, date the patent issue date to 1959. The "RW" could be Robert Welch who was an important modern designer working in the 2nd half of the 20th Century. His work would always have the hallmark for the Birmingham assay office, which is an anchor. Again, without seeing the marks, I am speculating. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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todance Posts: 3 |
posted 11-30-2004 05:20 PM
thanks Geri - any other infor I could give you to help? IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 12-01-2004 04:39 PM
Is it possible to post pictures of the item? That would really help. IP: Logged |
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killjoy Posts: 1 |
posted 02-12-2005 03:03 PM
I also have an expanding silver bracelet stamped R&W and am trying to identify the maker. The other stamps show it to be English, Birmingham 1910 IP: Logged |
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