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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-17-2007 01:32 PM
  
[26-1406] Can anyone tell me about a silversmith whose maker's mark is "MAX RII G"? Found a listing at auction but no history. Appreciate any information I can get! IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-17-2007 03:11 PM
Max Reig work at Colonial Williamsburg during the last half of the 1930's. In the 40's he is listed as having a shop in the old Post Office in Williamsburg. He made and sold pewter and silver items. He was an accomplished silversmith who also made eclesiastic wares. One of his commissions included 18th century reproduction chandeliers for St Bede Catholic Church in Williamsburg. Do you have a Reig piece? Is it in silver? Can you post an image? Fred [This message has been edited by FredZ (edited 05-17-2007).] IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-17-2007 03:38 PM
Yes, I have a suite of jewelry in "leaf" motif in the form of a bracelet, pin and earrings. I have not yet taken photos of it but will as time permits in the near future as a prepare the appraisal report for,it and several other unassociated items. If byou would like, I will try to post it mat that time. Jim Jolliff IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 05-17-2007 05:32 PM
Welcome to the forum, James. In reading your second posting it seems that you may be using this forum to conduct commercial research when you say that you will be using the information 'to prepare the appraisal report for it and several other unassociated items'. If this is the case you should go back and read the Guidelines you agreed to when registering on this forum. There are not many rules here but one of the most important of those that are in place is that this forum is limited to discussions of a purely non-commercial nature. There are many high quality professional appraisers around the world who are able to provide their services for people who are doing commercial or pre-auction research. IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-17-2007 07:18 PM
Sorry about that. I did read the Guidelines and may be confused by them. At the top of the Guidelines it states "The Resource Center for Silver Collectors, Dealers & Appraisers". This may have confused me in my thinking that I could ask such a question. At any rate I wish to thank FredZ for his response and will try not to violate the guidelines again. JJ IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-18-2007 03:44 PM
James, I still would like to see the images of the Reig jewelry. Fred IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-18-2007 04:09 PM
FredZ, Do you have a regular e-mail address to which I can send the images as an attachment. I do not believe I have the time or more importantly the means to post it on the smpub site as the rules explain. I'd be glad to send a digital photo to you of the jewelry once I take it this weekend. The design is that of a simple stylized leaf. I did a google search using the proper spelling of his name thaqt you provided and came up with several ads he had placed in the Wm & Mary College magazine during the 1943/45 timeframe but very little on his life other than repetiton of what you provided to me except that he had worked in Margaret Hunter's shop( I presume in Williamsburg) as early as 1937. There were also several items of pewter holloware listed on ebay stated to be bearing his mark but I did not see any jewelry or sterling silver items listed in any of the sites. Jim Jolliff IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-18-2007 04:26 PM
James, If you can email the images you can post the images. Please post the images for all to see. Thanks. IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-18-2007 07:42 PM
Well Scott, I thought this would be a good group to participate with, but after getting one message telling me I should not be using the forum and now yours, I don't believe I want to belong to such a group. You all must be technophiles who are very computer oriented I do not have or want an FTP program and it seems to me as one not so well versed in this new world of computer information processing that the method set forth in your basic instructions and extended instructions is beyond my capability. One can send an e-mail with a photo by a simple attachment-- not with tags from some public site not even known to exist until your message. So adios amigos! You just lost a reasonable knowledgeable appraiser of gems, jewelry and silver holloware and flatware and past director of the national association of jewelry appraisers for 12 years. IP: Logged |
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Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 |
posted 05-19-2007 07:14 AM
I am a rather a technophobe myself, but even I find the instructions on the SMP sites easy to follow. I do not fully understand why or how they work - but they do. Basically this is a public forum for people to share knowledge (or ignorance) and long may it continue that way IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-19-2007 05:14 PM
James, I am dissapointed at your responce to Scott's post. This is a forum for folks to share knowledge and not limited to those who can easily navigate the skills to post images. Most of us have learned a great deal here and have willingly shared our information. We take the time and effort to respond to those who are interested because of our love of the craft and the items created in this wonderful metal. We are all busy and still make the effort to help. Respectfully, IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-19-2007 05:52 PM
FredZ, I am sorry to! I looked forward to the sharing of knowledge. I am not very computer literate and also do not want my computer cluttered with FTP or other such programs. I'm still willing to send you the digitals but I am unwilling to clutter my computer with what appears to be additional servers, other than firefox or internet explorer which I now have. Servers that I am unfamiliar with and would only use for this site. Frankly, I was also disappointed with the response from Kimo early on. I really do not want to get involved in a verbal internet exchange contest with anyone and I am afraid that is what this is turning out to be. I have not had to ask for much help in several years because of the number of books I have in my possession. The "Max Reig" mark was a different issue and I truly appreciate your help in identifying it. Posting the photos is really not an issue of time as much as a my desire not to clutter my computer with additional programs and servers. I am truly sorry if this upsets you or anyone else reading this forum. Had I known it would create such a stir, I never would have asked the question or joined the group. Next time am at the Tucson Gemshow, which I have attended for the past 24 years, perhaps we can discuss my feelings over lunch. My treat. Again if you desire. I will send you the digitals as an attachment to an email and you can post them in order to close out this unwanted and perhaps unwarranted exchange on this simple topic. I wanted to belong to share information. But Kimo's comments make it a one way street for me because the only info I would want would obviously relate to some appraisal I would be working on and that appears to be a No-No. Thank you again for your response. JJ IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-19-2007 06:45 PM
James, I want you to know that you are not seeing this situation clearly. FTP or any other program is not required. Some people want to be more in control of their images and choose to use their own ISP's server and FTP. But it is not required. For those, like you, who only want to make the effort to email then you should use the Photobucket or Picturetrail approach to posting photos. It is free and once you are signed up they give you a link which will let you identify which photos on your PC you want uploaded and they do the rest. Once the photos are in your Photobucket album on Photobucket they provide the text for you to cut and paste into your SSF post. In some ways it can be easier and more fulfilling than emailing. As it regards your professional endeavors please pursue them without our direct help. But once the particular job is done and if you feel like sharing/discussing things, we would be glad to hear from you. There are many different types of professionals and collectors at the SSF. Most find that they share our mutual passion and can return to a topic when there is not a conflict with the Guidelines. It is not really all that difficult. Please first make the effort before giving up. Thanks. PS. The "The Resource Center for Silver Collectors, Dealers & Appraisers" in not on the Silver Salon Forums banner head (at least it not supposed to be) it is on the SMP portion of the site which is playing host to the SSF. A quick check of the Silver Salon Forums banner shows it says "Silver Salon Forums - The premier site for discussing Silver" IP: Logged |
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Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 |
posted 05-21-2007 06:18 AM
Scott I can see where both you and James are coming from. He would like to tap into our knowledge for doing his job. You do not feel it appropriate for him to be getting money for our free services. Museums are in this situation all the time - and their only prohibition is money values. I feel that if such intention is clearly stated I personally would in many circumstances be prepared to respond to such requests - it is still research. Certainly any request for money values or on items actually available on say Ebay are a no- no. Perhaps the moderators and members would like to consider a specific forum for such requests - or am I in a minority of one ! Naturally one would expect inquirers to be prepared to take the effort, miniscule as it is, to properly post photos for the edification of all . We all need to gainsomething from the exchange s [This message has been edited by Clive E Taylor (edited 05-21-2007).] IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-22-2007 01:35 PM
Yes, I would agree that both sides should get something from the exchange of research data. What is the difference if I ask the question direct or ask Silver Magazine to do it for me? I'd venture to sat that everyone on this site gains some form of remuneration; otherwise why ask the question?? Could be knowledge, could be a satisfied friend or customer, could be personal satisfaction, could be collecting material for writing of a book, etc. Now, more importantly, I have, in my own fashion, struggled through the Photobucket procedures (not in 3 minutes but rather 3 hours) and at least got that far in posting the photos of the jewelry. I believe the URL for the Max Reig suite of jewelry is as follows: At least that is what it has on the site. However, there is another listing that shows an "s" in stead of the "i" in the "i210" location of the address. If I'm wrong, don't jump all over me!! It is my first try into this type of endeavor I am posting these photos because I believe I owe FredZ a response for his kindness in giving the basic info I needed. If I am sending this improperly please let me know what the proper notations should have been. I do get confused with the use of [img] etc type tags. I have assume, perhaps in error, that one need not do this when using the photobucket approach. JJ IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-22-2007 02:56 PM
James, I do appreciate the effort you are putting into this. I have tried to modify the link you posted to reflect the syntax required to post an image. Photobucked offers several links to copy and paste. You need to use the one with the IMG Code This is a very charming set... Thanks for taking the time and effort to post. By the way.. It took me nearly a year before I had the courage to post. Your expertise would be appreciated at this site. Fred IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-23-2007 10:49 AM
Thanks to all!! I guess in closing out this discussion it should be noted that the spelling of this silversmiths name is listed as Max Reig in the period 1942-1946 advertisements in the Wm & Mary College newspaper. Yet, his mark does appear to be Rieg. Google searches for each last name bring up the same man. A few of the sites listed under a Rieg google search display jewelry for sale in the same stylized leaf pattern in my possession. However, thespelling on the mark does appear to be Rieg.
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-23-2007 11:00 AM
James, Thanks for pointing that out and I will make note of in my research. The signature is definately Rieg and not Reig. Fred IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 05-23-2007 01:37 PM
Hello! I am glad everything has gotten settled, and with the correct spelling of his name I'm sure you will be able to find that set as I was able to. Enjoy the day! IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 05-23-2007 09:40 PM
On 23 March 1927 a silversmith by the name of Max Rieg arrived in the Port of New York aboard the vessel Seydlitz. He was twenty-eight years old at the time and born in the German city of Gmuend. Records indicate that he was born on 27 February 1899, his social security card was issued in Virginia, and he died in Broward County Florida on 1 March 1985 at the age of eighty-six. I won't say for sure that this is the man you are interested in because I just don't know it to be a fact, but it does appear to be highly likely that this is he. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 05-23-2007).] IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-24-2007 10:57 AM
Thanks much for the info on what may be Rieg's arrival in US. I have placed a call to the Williamsburg Foundation concerning his work there. If I get a response, I'll post it. Jim IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-26-2007 04:03 PM
Well I long ago had what I needed but this has been interesting so I have pursued it. I talked with the current head silversmith at colonial Williamsburg foundation and found out the following. It would appear the proper spelling of his name is rieg and they have two of his mark stamps in house with the mark max rieg sterling on them. Secondly, he never worked as an employee of the foundation but as a licensed manufacturer of the foundation from 1937 until WWII started. At that time I was told Williamsburg dropped its program of trades people and Rieg opened up his shop in the old post office building. He later hired Shirley Robertson as his apprentice. When Williamsburg started up its program again when WWII ended, he did not go back but stayed in his shop. When he closed he turned over his designs and patterns to Shirley who opened Shirley Pewter Shop; still run by his sons in Williamsburg today. Apparently, Rieg's patterns are now owned by a company called "The Precious Gem" in Williamsburg. I am told that they are currently producing Rieg's jewelry from molds made from these patterns with his mark on them. So, from a collectors standpoint, it would appear one would be hard pressed to know if they possess what is apparently becoming 1940-1950 time frame collectible items or newly made items from the 2000 time period. Interesting!! why the Wm. & Mary college paper ads read Reig is anyone’s guess. Jim Jolliff IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-28-2007 12:20 AM
James, Thanks for sharing what you have discovered from Williamburg. This is what is great about a forum like this. We are able to pull together the knowledge of a few for the use of us all. By the way ... it is best to use both upper and lower case rather than all caps. Internet protocal considers all caps as shouting. I love the sharing of information on mutual passions. Fred IP: Logged |
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James Jolliff Posts: 12 |
posted 05-28-2007 08:01 AM
Wow Sure a lot to learn about the foibles of internet protocol. Who would have thought it! Thanks for the info Jimj IP: Logged |
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