posted 08-11-2006 10:17 PM            

Hi,

Just checking to see if anyone knows anything about this pattern. The pieces I have are marked with Watrous' half moon mark and no mention of International silver, but a lot of people call it International Ivy. Anything would be helpful. I'm most interested in the years it was made and a list of pieces they made.

Thanks,
Ringboxlady

posted 08-12-2006 02:48 PM            

YES!! this is it!!!

I'm having a terrible time getting the picture to even load on my website. I tried all night. Thanks for helping me out here.

Thanks for the info you've posted and if you know anything else,
I'd be most appreciative.

Best,
courtney

posted 08-12-2006 10:55 PM            

My basic reaction is that IS had a retailer problem with the Watrous market. Jewelers who had dealt with the high end Watrous line were probably not happy to have it taken over by the mass market IS. So, to justify continuing the pattern (which required a commitment to at least 25 years production) a new patent would be needed.

Perhaps some lawyer here can explain the situation. It can be the case that IS owned the dies, the name, production and selling rights, etc but not the patent. And could not renew.

posted 08-13-2006 09:52 AM            

Thank you both for your insight on the pattern. I am just wanting to make sure I know who the maker is and how to ask for it so I don't miss any.

As to the weight of my pieces:

rian-

I'm with you, not heavy at all. But the detail for me makes up for that. I have a meat fork, sardine fork, sugar spoon, and 6 demi spoons( you can imagine how light they are). The meat fork and sugar spoon have to be my favorite. The design of the pieces goes down the handle in the the bowl area or tines area, like I see on your beautiful piece. The other pieces don't have that, perhaps because the are too small or maybe it's the slight change in die which dale mentioned. Anyhow, they are all lovely. My 3 serving pieces have gold wash on them, does yours??? And rian, what is your piece called, a sugar sifter or slotted serving spoon, or?? It's GORGEOUS! Does it too have gold wash in the bowl?

Thanks everyone and keep bringing it. I love a good learning experience!
best,
courtney

posted 03-16-2008 06:30 PM            

First let me say thank you to rian and jersey for their helping me to remember who I had talked to and when and where about this pattern.

I've since added some pieces to my collection and to quote myself "it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas in my silver drawer!!" I never thought I'd find this much.... so here is my problem. With this pattern, I'm having a problem deciding what I think some of these pieces are. What I think is a place spoon my mother thinks is a serving spoon. It measures 8 7/8". Note: all place setting pieces I bought as a set. Now take a look at the picture with the serving pieces from left to right this is what they measure.

1. 5" bonbon,sifter of sorts?
   
2. 5 1/2" i think a sugar shell
   
3. 8 1/2" large serving spoon, it's name?
   
4. 7 3/8" large serving fork, it's name?
   
5. 5 3/4" fork, but what is it's name?
   
6. 5" fork, but what is it's name?

I look forward to hearing from you!

Happy Easter!
ringboxlady

posted 03-16-2008 07:21 PM            

I have a book I find helpful is "Yesterday's Silver for Today's Table" by Richard Osterberg. I find it a good reference for all types of flatware, with measurements, & it's uses. Perhaps it would help you. Check your library they may have it.

Jersey