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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 12-22-2007 11:16 PM
[26-1551] I've learned a lot here already. I'm not a collector (yet), though after a few months of reading about silver and studying my own, I can see how tempting that is. In November I got out my family silver, that I'd put away without much thought shortly after inheriting it more than a decade ago. I wanted to use it for entertaining, and make sure it was stored more carefully, and to know more about it. Between online information and the very, very helpful Noel Turner and Rainwater books, I managed to identify every piece. The process has been very absorbing and fun, especially with my grandmother's silver. Her family and friends were apparently invited to give her serving items (since she was inheriting a complete set of place pieces); the variety of manufacturers, patterns, and functions of the pieces was an education. My question is about my great-grandmother's wedding silver, from 1883-4. The pattern is 'Kings'; the place setting pieces are all by Peter L. Krider of Philadelphia, where my great-grandmother was born and brought up. The serving pieces in the same pattern (Kings) are only marked J.E. Caldwell. Because of Rainwater's assessment that Caldwell stopped manufacturing after 1860, I'd wondered if it were at all feasible to research who did make these serving pieces for JEC. Wev's 2001 post of an 1880 advertising card, which raises a question about whether Caldwell did in fact produce as well as sell in that era, points to one possibility. Sadly, a guest's post in another thread makes it seem less likely this question can be answered with any confidence: "I used to work for J.E. Caldwellls in Philadelphia, back in the late 70's, early 80's. It was a very old firm, that used to employ their own team of silversmith and jewelers. Most unfortunatly, the company has since been bought up by a firm down south, and all archival materials lost." Still, as the poster said, and as I already knew from my school years in Philadelphia, the company has a long, rich history and a loyal following in the area. If I were to try to find out who (if not Caldwell) made these serving pieces, any thoughts on how it would be best to begin? IP: Logged |
bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 12-23-2007 01:06 AM
Sounds like you have inherited some terrific family heirlooms. As was mentioned by Swarter in an earlier post this year, J E Caldwell & Co are pretty easy to lookup online. Just enter their name alone in the address bar on internet explorer, and you'll get to them. Some images might be enough for the experts on this site to give you an idea of who the maker of your pieces might be, especially if there are some other markings on them or they are in familiar styles and etc. James E Caldwell was born in New York in about 1812. His son Albert (James? Albert) was born in New York in about 1845, and he seems to have continued with the business after his father's death around 1880? James E is listed as a merchant and later a jeweler in the U. S. Federal Census's. Albert is also listed as a jeweler and by 1920 he is identified as a diamond and jewelery merchant. Good luck with your research. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 12-23-2007 11:43 AM
Thanks, bascall. I've already done a fair amount of poking around online. Clearly, there were other manufacturers who produced pieces for J.E. Caldwell; they were a major retailer for Philadelphia and the region, and it would have taken a huge production capacity to fill all those orders themselves. All the examples below are hollow ware: "produced by Dominick & Haff of Newark and New York under contract with J.E.Caldwell & Company" see page 23 [statemuseumpa.org/Assets/pdf-files/continuum.pdf - gone from the internet]
quote: It wasn't clear in every case, but I believe those pieces had maker's marks in addition to the J.E. Caldwell stamp. My pieces have no other mark but J.E. Caldwell. They're all in the Kings pattern: a fish slice, salad fork and spoon, soup ladle, gravy ladle, ice tongs, and a set of dessert/tea knives. I'd love to send pictures but have no digital camera. It's possible there will be one under the tree on Christmas morning (I've done some heavy hinting). If so, I'll see about getting pictures up. I've saved the instruction page. The company's own records would be most likely to have the answer, which is why I found the former employee's news so discouraging. IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 12-27-2007 01:55 PM
George Shiebler produced a very nice English King pattern in the 1870s that he retailed through Tiffany & Co. Some of the forks and spoons that I have do NOT have the Shiebler mark, and some do. I have also seen Whiting's English King with the Bailey, Banks & Biddle retail mark...so it seems that J. E. Caldwell could have been retailing either of those makers' English King. Side-by-side comparison might help, even tho' they are all very similar. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 12-27-2007 05:14 PM
Thanks, Ulysses! I'll have to look around for a dealer/show/auction to see some English King of that era, and bring along one of the J.E. Caldwell pieces. Early on I identified the other versions of 'Kings' that are out there for purposes of filling in place pieces in my service. Of the possibilities in the U.S., there seems to be more Tiffany 'English King' than just about anything else, with Dominick & Haff 'King' in second place. The Tiffany is usually much more expensive; I've been wondering if that's just the name premium, or if it's significantly heavier. Tiffany patented that 'English King' pattern for sterling in 1885; did Shiebler do the design? IP: Logged |
wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 12-27-2007 05:28 PM
Tiffany's Kings was designed by Grosjean -- patent D16216, sept 1885. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 12-27-2007 09:01 PM
Thanks for that, wev. Ulysses, Are those available to see at the museum, or in your personal collection? I should look into what museums are within visiting range. I'm pretty sure there are things of interest in the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts in Richmond, but DC is just about as close and there are more additional reasons for me to visit there. Does the Smithsonian have a silver exhibit? Any other DC-area possibilities? IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 12-28-2007 06:48 AM
Through study of photos around the net, I've tentatively concluded that Dominick & Haff made the serving pieces and dessert/tea/breakfast knives that are just marked 'J.E. Caldwell'. The "clincher" was a picture of the breakfast knife at a seller's site -- it was displayed at just about actual size, and was identical down to the tiniest detail with mine. The bigger serving pieces have the same characteristics as the breakfast knives. All the comparing has made me alert to subtle and less subtle differences among the 'Kings'es. But I'm surprised that I didn't notice before something that swarter pointed out in an archived thread explaining the differences between the British 'Kings' and 'Queens' patterns: "The easiest way to distinguish Queen's from the others is that the shell on the front (only) is convex, while in the others [Kings] it is concave; the shells on the back are all convex." Whereas the U.S. 'Kings' are the other way round: convex shell on the front, concave on the back. (At least, the Kings patterns from the 1880s: Krider, D&H 'King', Tiffany 'English King'.) Of course, I learned/realized this _after_ buying some British-made Kings dinner knives to accompany my set. It's for the best: they're just what I wanted in so many other ways (size, price, stainless modern blades) that it would have been a shame to pass them up because the pattern doesn't match exactly. IP: Logged |
dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 12-28-2007 12:23 PM
How wonderful for you to have a set of heirloom silver (no such luck for me), I've always liked the Kings and Queens patterns. Sounds like you might be on your way to becoming a silverphile. Personally have no problem with variances in pattern, flatware services were often built over years, pieces sometimes by different makers with the resulting variations. Know that some people love completely matched sets, but I tend to be a bit quirky, my basic set is International's Spring Glory, a Scandinavian-inspired pattern designed in 1941 by Lillian V.M. Helander, love it but have no serving pieces, enjoy blending in all sorts of other pieces that complement the design. Also enjoy using my various size sets of spoons along with the basic flatware set (like to blend china patterns too). IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 12-28-2007 07:17 PM
With you on the blending china, dragonflywink! Exploring the silver also pushed me into a breakthrough in my attitude toward the china that's here. For years, I've avoided taking ownership of it. We've only had very informal meals with guests, using the same dishes and stainless we eat with every day. My mother, in a sort of revolt against the gilt and ostentation of my grandmother's table, chose a very pottery-evocative ironstone for her dinner plates. It's 'Poterat', a Wedgwood pattern that was produced for the French market. (Since she got married just a year or so after the end of the war, I'd love to know the story of how it came to be sold here. Returning GIs? "Help Europe recover" campaign? Wedgwood's Etruria factory was closed just a few years after my parents' wedding, so this might be some of the last of the pattern made there. On the other hand, it could have been shipped to France in the thirties and have been sitting around waiting for a more auspicious marketing climate... ) I digress. 'Poterat' is beautiful on the table, but the catch is that what we have for salad and soup plates is Granny's and Cousin Martha's older patterns -- and they're at war with the dinner plates. A few weeks ago, inspired by the silver, I was laying out a place setting to see what's still needed. It hit me that we have no bread plates, and that I could try to find a pattern that would knit the rest of the china together. Here's where the internet makes such a difference. It reduced to days what might have taken much of a year in the past. I studied pictures of china until my head swam, but I found it! It's 'Cambridge' (H51070, a Royal Doulton pattern made in the 1980s and 1990s and then discontinued. The very years when I might have gotten married and settled down instead of criss-crossing the country doing political work, and the kind of pattern I might have chosen in that alternate universe. Miraculously, there were a few bread plates at a couple of replacement houses for a reasonable price (bread plates are definitely the least expensive way to try out a pattern!). So, in the span of six weeks, I've gone from knowing almost zip about silver and china to being intrigued and charged up (just learning so much in such a short time is a rush). Christmas dinner was gorgeous and festive; when my partner saw that I'd actually made a centerpiece, tears came to his eyes. And, yes, I can see where this kind of thing leads. Somewhere on another thread someone noted how gardeners seem to be susceptible to the silver bug. It's true, and my gardening friends have been the most enthusiastic about this turn in my life. So as protection against wild impulses, my collecting goal is very small, focused, and non-urgent: pre-1860 napkin rings. (To join the one that's here now, a lovely simple example with my great-great-grandmother's monogram. That and a salt spoon are the only pieces of hers I have.) IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 12-31-2007 08:54 AM
The Shiebler English King pieces are mine (and my mother's)...I discussed them somewhere else in SMPUB ages ago...and at some point to accompany them, some ancestor acquired a large complement of plated English King knives by Gorham. Tiffany's English King was designed by Grosjean and patented (however one patent's such a design) in 1885. It is quite distinctive in design (more 3-D somehow);but the premium you pay for it is probably more for the name than the weight. Tiffany but they also produced at the same time a plated "King"...and the Museum does have a service of that from the family of Thomas Shaw, who ran Tiffany's plating factory (and then silver factory) in Newark. That Shaw silver includes a few pieces of "real" English "English King" pattern silver--dated from the 1830s, with the Shaw monogram on them. IP: Logged |
bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 01-01-2008 12:23 AM
Here's the patent drawing for the Tiffany Kings pattern:
Because the patent office photo of this spoon is of such poor quality, a lot of trimming, cutting and rearranging was done to the drawing to keep from reducing the size of the already poor image and still remain within the forum's image size guidelines. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 01-04-2008 07:04 PM
Thanks so much for all the information, Ulysses and bascall. Have just today encountered at an online auction site a fork in the 'Kings' pattern marked only 'J.E. Caldwell', and it's identical to the Krider pieces here. I sent a message to the seller just for his/her interest, since s/he specializes in silver. One distinctive feature of Krider's version is the rosette that separates the upward and downward-facing 'stems'. The D&H 'King' uses a solid dot (hemisphere) there, and the Tiffany 'English King' uses a still bigger dot, one of the things that contributes to its "more 3-D" effect that Ulysses notes. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 01-15-2008 11:12 PM
Ulysses Dietz said: quote: Around the time Ulysses posted this, I read an article by Janet Zapata, "Artistic wares of George W. Shiebler, silversmith", that made me very interested to see some early Polhamus Kings: quote: Recently there were photos of some Polhamus & Strong and some Shiebler 'Kings' on a big online auction site, and they look identical to me. Turner credits Polhamus with being the first to produce a double-struck 'Kings', but gives no authority for that. I'm getting more and more obsessed with pinpointing the transition from single-struck to double-struck 'Kings', which also seems to be the moment in which the shells became convex on the front.
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