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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 04-02-2001 05:00 PM
[19-0105] I recently bought a coin silver tablespoon (7-3/16") in the fiddle tip't pattern. What I find unusual is the finely engraved and brite cut scene of a Federal style house in the bowl, which is gilt. The engraving is very detailed--down to individual clapboards on the house and flutes and volutes on the porch columns. The reverse of the handle is inscribed "1843." The marks on the spoon are "N. Arnzen" and "Fall River" (the second mark is worn, but still legible in the right light), both in threaded reserves. Can anybody tell me some information on N. Arnzen, including dates? I am curious if the engraving was added later in the spoon's life, or if the spoon was made circa 1843. Also, I wonder what the purpose of a spoon with such engraving would be. Perhaps soemthing akin to a housewarming gift?
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-02-2001 05:46 PM
I am afraid I have no silver related information to offer, but I did run across this interesting bit on the Berkeley MA page of the [<gone from the internet> southofboston.org]www.southofboston.org[/URL] site:
Only partially agreeing, Mr. N. Arnzen of Fall River purchased the rock and gave it to the Antiquarian Society at Copenhagen. His theory was that the writing was composed of two parts- one by Indians, the other by Norsemen. He found that the name THORFIN, in Latin letters, was clear. In other references it is noted that the rock was a gift to the town by the Royal Scandinavian Society in the 1800's. IP: Logged |
bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 07-23-2007 09:54 PM
There was a watchmaker named Neils Arnzen in Fall River in 1870. He was born in about 1818 in Norway. Don't know what year he immigrated. Around 1890 he is listed as a jeweler and music dealer. As a watchmaker engraving may have been something he did particularly well. IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 07-25-2007 08:44 PM
Hello Paul! FWIW, but maybe some insight from a friend regarding the engraving in the bowl he says that the style of the house is high style Greek Revival, the date is right and Arnzen's place in society would have been appropriate to the house. However, he feels the spoon maybe of a later date perhaps made as a commemorative piece. Enjoy the day! IP: Logged |
doc Posts: 728 |
posted 07-26-2007 07:51 AM
The year 1843 is one of significance in Fall River as there was a great fire that year in which nearly 200 buildings were destroyed. This is just speculation, but perhaps this is meant as some form of memoriam to someone's homestead lost in the fire? IP: Logged |
Fitzhugh Posts: 136 |
posted 08-01-2007 07:48 PM
I see the Andrew Robeson house was built in 1843, which today houses the Fall River Historical Society. Possibility? IP: Logged |
bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 04-01-2010 12:20 PM
Niels Arnzen is listed as a jeweler in the 1850 U S Federal Census for Fall River, Massachusetts. He is listed in the 1853 Fall River Directory with a jewelry and music store at 5 Pleasant; a business he maintained into the twentieth century. IP: Logged |
June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1326 |
posted 04-03-2010 09:32 PM
I hear the silly commercials on TV about how filling in the 2010 US Census will help figure out things like how many buses are needed. Like they couldn't just see how crowded they are and make an educated guess? The thing that intrigues me about the possibilities of everyone completing the 2010 Census is for future generations to do the kind of detective work that some of us do looking at old census data to track down silversmiths and their familial lines. The 2010 census asks nothing about profession. Based on what they're asking, I'm not sure what value that data will have going forward. IP: Logged |
Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 04-04-2010 08:26 PM
On the other hand, many businesses have websites now, so if the information currently on the WWW gets archived, future researchers might be able to find people's websites and match them to the census info. Regarding the spoon, could it be a mid-19th century spoon that got souvenirized in the late 19th century when souvenir spoons came into fashion? IP: Logged |
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