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cbc58 Posts: 333 |
posted 03-20-2018 08:06 AM
  
I recently acquired this spoon and would like to ask if anyone can help me date it based on shape / construction. It is 9.5" long. It almost looks like a coffin shape - but not quite. Does this style have a name and what approx date range would it be in? Tks This spoon has a mark that looks like the maker is Ivory Hall (1819-1874), however I can find no reference to spoons of his from that time frame that are 2 piece construction - they are all one piece fiddle pattern. Would this be before or after fiddle pattern or could it possibly be by someone else? [This message has been edited by cbc58 (edited 03-20-2018).] IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 03-20-2018 09:29 AM
I think this would be considered a spoon with a spatulate end down turned handle and also having a broad drop. These are terms from Belden's book. I would call this late 18th century. This date would of course be wrong if the spoon was made by Hall. [This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 03-20-2018).] IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 03-20-2018 09:48 AM
Belden does show a Joseph Hall from Albany NY.listed as a freeman in 1781 and working until 1800. His mark had a pellet between the J or I and Hall. IP: Logged |
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cbc58 Posts: 333 |
posted 03-20-2018 10:57 AM
Here is the hallmark - there is a pellet in the middle - half way between top and bottom. My book says that's Ivory Hall but the spoon looks older to me like you indicated. Maybe someone else made it and he put his stamp on it. ** I just found the Joseph Hall mark and it looks strikingly similar. [This message has been edited by cbc58 (edited 03-20-2018).] IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 03-20-2018 12:19 PM
I believe this is not a 2-piece construction, but spoon made in one piece with a decorative drop on the back of the bowl. If you search the forum for decorative drop, you will see several discussions of this topic. This particular drop is very appealing, since its cut-cornered shape echoes the shape of the coffin handle. IP: Logged |
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cbc58 Posts: 333 |
posted 03-20-2018 12:22 PM
wow - thank you Polly. so much to learn... IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 03-20-2018 12:44 PM
  Above is the information from Belden on Joseph Hall. IP: Logged |
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cbc58 Posts: 333 |
posted 03-20-2018 03:56 PM
Thank you awht for posting the pic of the mark and taking the time to share your expertise. I am convinced this is Joseph, not Ivory. As it turns out - Joseph was born in the same town I grew up in - small town in CT. Quite a coincidence and adds a new dimension to the object for me. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 03-20-2018 04:35 PM
The connections that are found to the past are some of the most enjoyable moments for me. Enjoy those times. IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 03-21-2018 10:47 AM
Nice spoon! Typically Coffin end is 1790-1810 IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 03-21-2018 01:26 PM
    I think of this spoon by Nehemiah Bassett of Albany NY as an example of the coffin style. It appears to me that the side edges of the end are linear in the coffin style while in the second picture of the Hall spoon the edges appear to me to be curved. The first picture of the Hall spoon does look like a coffin style but I thought that was an optical illusion as the picture was taken at an angle rather than head on. Not related to this is another observation. Most of the coffin spoons that I have seen have been large serving spoons and I do not recall seeing many teaspoons or mid size spoons. Have I just not seen enough spoons or is this what others have seen? IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 03-22-2018 12:37 PM
Typically they are table spoons, but I actually have a set of four small teaspoons in Coffin End. IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 03-22-2018 10:16 PM
I've seen quite a few coffin tea spoons and I own both marked and unmarked. I'm guessing that they were made commonly in both sizes for the period they were in fashion. IP: Logged |
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