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hernan Posts: 6 |
posted 08-07-2001 08:43 PM
  
Good evening! I am very new to silver, and I hope I am in the right area to ask a question. I have been reading American Silverplate by Dorothy Rainwater to learn. I have a tray that is decorated with rose baskets and plumes on the front, and on the back has the mark above. The only reference I can find in the book and on the net indicates that mark was used between 1836 and 1841. But the only mention of product line is coin silver flatware. Did Rogers make trays at that time as well? Or did they use the mark after that time? Thank you!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WGS Posts: 136 |
posted 08-07-2001 09:28 PM
I'm looking at the Third Edition Revised of Rainwater, and I see two pages after "William Rogers" under "William Rogers, Jr." that the same or similar mark was used on silverplated flatware by Simpson, Hall, Miller & Co. until 1893 and also on silverplated holloware from 1938 to 1976. Also, the trademark was "a very active one ... on moderately priced flatware" until 1976. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hernan Posts: 6 |
posted 08-07-2001 09:48 PM
Thank you WGS. Are you on page 435 with the spoons? It looks like they used the eagle and star for quite some time, but the company name changed from Rogers & Bros to Wm Rogers & Co, etc. The Wm Rogers is dated 1836 , and then Wm Rogers & Co. is dated 1841. Is that supposed to be chronological? There are several pages at the beginning of the book that seem to map out his career. I really appreciate your help. Thank you! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hernan Posts: 6 |
posted 08-17-2001 08:55 PM
I am still hoping someone can help me with some information on silver marking. I am used to pottery and porcelain marking, which helps date the manufacture period. But I am not sure the same rule applies to silver. I guess the bottom line question I have is this. If the mark helps date the piece, and this mark was used by Rogers during the period he made coin silver flatware, is it possible that the tray is coin silver as well? This may be a dumb question, but I am just learning silver history, and want to make sure I understand. Thanks for any help!! Becki IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 08-20-2001 11:34 AM
If Rogers was making coin silver flatware, it is very unlikely that the firm was also making trays--solid silver (coin or sterling) are extremely rare this early, or for that matter at most times, relative to the common-ness of coin spoons, etc. The Rogers name is almost always associated with plated goods, and I would guess that yours is plated. However, I do not know the mark of which you write, so I can't be sure. In Rainwater's "Encyclopedia of American Silver Manufacturers," none of the Wm. Rogers marks are for coin, all are for plated goods. As I read it, none of those marks are in fact dated marks--the use of dates in Rogers marks denotes the history of the company, not the date of the actual manufacture of the object. It's always been a confusing area, because the Rogers name is so heavily used by so many makers... IP: Logged |
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hernan Posts: 6 |
posted 08-20-2001 07:45 PM
Thank you Ulysses! I know I have a lot to learn, and I am looking forward to it. The tray is quite tarnished, and I feel better about cleaning it now. I just didn't want amature hands damaging something. I have read several threads on this forum, and have learned much from all of you. I will be visiting often. Thanks again! Becki IP: Logged |
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