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Anuh Posts: 190 |
posted 10-27-2003 08:20 PM
  
[01-1285] Another question of origin. I have 8 individual butter knives in a beaded-type of pattern which only carry the mark F. Loeser & Co., Inc. Probably silverplate, but lacking ANY other marking at all, I thought I would post it here first. I assume that this company was the retailer, but there is always the possibility that they were a manufacturing jeweler. Anyone have any information on them? They aren't listed in Rainwater and I haven't the emotional strength to tackle my only other reference - Wyler's. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 10-28-2003 09:16 AM
Frederick Loeser & Co was a large New York department store. One major outlet was at Fulton Street, Brooklyn. There's a contemporary photo here:  It seems they also had a shop on the corner of Prince Street and Greene St designed by Henry Fernbach in 1881. For a map, see: A third shop was located at 855 Franklin Avenue. Originally built as the first Long Island location of the Frederick Loeser & Co. department store, one of the first giant stores of its kind, it was eventually purchased by Abraham & Strauss. The company certainly survived into the 1920s, selling a wide range of products under its own label. But whether it had any manufacturing capacity, I'm afraid I don't know. IP: Logged |
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Anuh Posts: 190 |
posted 10-28-2003 06:54 PM
Thank you, Patrick. That is wonderful information and more than I was able to get on a couple of online searches. I place the pattern of these as early 20th century, when the ornate became the very plain and classic, but I have been unable to find a pattern name for them, in part because Replacements does not list F. Loeser at all. The mark (cartouche) is impressed into the casting as are the marks of other silver makers, rather than punched in as was so often done with retailers. That, in itself, makes me wonder if they manufactured these, or whether, like a Walmart of an earlier year, they contracted these out in such a fashion that no one will ever know who did what. Most interesting information and thank you again. This will go into my quickly growing list of links! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 10-28-2003 07:04 PM
The practice of private lableing things goes way back. Could you post pics of these? Sometimes a distinctive shape allows one to tentatively assign a manufacturer to an item. Know this is a long shot, but sounds like a challenging puzzle. IP: Logged |
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Anuh Posts: 190 |
posted 10-28-2003 07:41 PM
Dale says: The practice of private lableing things goes way back. Could you post pics of these? Sometimes a distinctive shape allows one to tentatively assign a manufacturer to an item. Know this is a long shot, but sounds like a challenging puzzle. Anuh answers: I will try to get to it one day soon. I'm many moons behind in my picture taking and processing and up to my ears with an upcoming auction on Saturday. Once that is done, I can take a few days to try and get this done. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 10-28-2003 09:36 PM
From your description of the pattern, it could be the popular "Bead" pattern that dates back to the middle of the 19th century. At that time, it was not uncommon for coin silver to be marked only by a retailer. Perhaps these are actually 1850s/1860s Bead pattern knives retailed by Loeser. To be sure of this, we would need to confirm that your knives are indeed in the Bead pattern and that Loeser went back as far as the time period I indicated. If you can't get pictures, can you post dimensions? If they are small individual butter knives (app. 6") they are probably not coin from that period. But if they are actually all-silver breakfast knives (app. 7.5"), they likely are. Bead was a popular design and I have seen many sets of 8-12 all silver knives in this pattern. eBay item 2566863382 is an example of the coin silver "Bead" pattern. Is this design identical or at least similar to your knives? Note that this fork is coin silver but also just marked by the retailer. [This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 10-28-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Anuh Posts: 190 |
posted 10-28-2003 09:43 PM
These are short. They are approximately 5-5/8" long. The beading is very tiny and runs along a line approximately 1/16" inside the outer rim of the handle. There IS a motif at the top of two lines of this tiny beading running up along the outside of cone-shaped piece as well. Very hard to find one which is clear enough in that area to see if it is a "trumpet flower" or just a solid cone of design. I'll try to get a picture of that as well when I do the pictures. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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