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Arg(um)entum

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iconnumber posted 10-07-2003 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arg(um)entum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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A few weeks back there was a discussion on the General Forum about a carving set marked "6 DWT" GDWT Sterling or 6DWT Sterling - maker?. The discussion seems to have concluded that DWT stands for pennyweight and that the items in question are sterling.

I was reminded of it yesterday as I poked around a dealer's shelf of plated odds and ends hoping to discover an unrecognized treasure (very high odds against!) that I could recognize (raises the odds against to the power of n, n being large).

The first thing I idly picked up was a bunch of tea spoons of a dark grey color marked "HJC" "A1" "10 DWTS" each in its own rectangle. There were no wear spots and not a trace of plating which I assume must at one time have adhered to them. The color could be called a dark charcoal grey without the yellow tinge that, I believe, indicates NS, Alpacca, Alfenide, etc. Yes, it was very different from tarnish!

The next item was a shiny silvery little mustard or condiment spoon in 'mint' condition but the edges of the little bowl were a bit ragged, not worn just poorly finished. It was marked "HJC" "A1" "8 DWTS".

And right next to it came a couple of good size table spoons in a condition identical to that of the tea spoons. They were marked "HJC" "A1" "40 DWTS".

And last I found a bunch of soup spoons that were in the same condition as well EXCEPT that these had wear spots on the underside of the bowl; these spots though were almost black. Their marks were "HJC" "A1" "30 DWTS".

Since all this didn't meet my notion of a treasure, I let the dealer keep them. Still, I am curious about a few things:

- The colour of the spoons: I speculate that they must be made of an alloy containing no nickel. The addition of the right proportion of nickel is supposed to have been one of the key factors in producing an alloy that gave great adherence to the silverplating. So, presumably on these things all silver peeled off (except for the condiment spoon which may never have been used). But what then are the dark spots underneath the bowls of the soup spoons?

- What do the DWTS numbers refer to? i.e. the weight of silver applied to how many items? Was this marking ever a standard? If so, where and when?

- Does anyone recognize the mark "HJC" ?


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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 10-08-2003 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If anyone is interested in finding any other posts which mention DWT, use the Silver Salon search function to search for DWT in:

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 10-08-2003 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe that we concluded that they were sterling... On the contrary I think that the DWT content is the amount of silver used to deposit on the surface of the base metal perhaps on a dozen spoons. I believe it was not unusual to rate plating by this method.

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Anuh

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iconnumber posted 10-08-2003 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The difference is that the pieces I referred to are MARKED Sterling. These are not; they are marked A1, which was a standard of plating.

Furthermore, the amount of silver used in silverplate is per GROSS of a given item. Standard plate is 2 troy ounces of silver per 144 teaspoons. That's a lot of teaspoons to cover.

It still leaves things as a poser, though.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 10-09-2003 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes the black finish you encountered can be caused by cleaning in bleach. If done over a long time, it is almost impossible to remove. I have run into this occasionally, and despair of it.

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Patrick Vyvyan

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iconnumber posted 11-25-2003 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patrick Vyvyan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's an egg cup set on e-bay with six spoons (not original I think) with this mark:

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