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PamNYorker Posts: 4 |
posted 04-12-2004 11:48 AM
  
[01-1459] I am not familiar with silver. I have these two silver trays and I don't know if they are silver plated, or sterling. Also, I don't know what the marks mean. On one side it says: HBEP, 8950. On the other side it has two lines of symbols. If anyone knows any history of these, it would be appreciated? IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 04-12-2004 01:30 PM
Take a look at this thread: Bell mark? Can anyone ID this mark? Bell Mark, it seems were an English company which moved to the United States in the 1940s. The EP in the letters almost certainly indicates Electro-Plate (ie silverplate) IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-12-2004 02:02 PM
Actually, it looks like one of the various Barbour Silver Co. marks shown in Rainwater. Unfortunately the books illustration is a poor line drawing, so we'll need assistance from someone with better knowledge of the company's marks than I have. IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 04-12-2004 02:05 PM
After a little more searching, it seems that the bell mark has been in use from the late 18th century, first on Old Sheffield Plate and then on electroplate, by the following succession of companies: The firm of manufacturing silversmiths and retailers, W & G. Sissons was founded in Sheffield, 1784, by Samuel Roberts and George Cadman as Roberts, Cadman and Co. Cadman died in 1823 and in 1826 the firm became Roberts, Smith & Company with the commencement of the partnership which comprised Samuel Roberts, his nephew Evan Smith, his cousin's son, Sidney Roberts and William Sissons. The agreement was for ten years and provision was made for the entry of Samuel's son, Samuel, if desired. It is not known if Samuel junior entered to the partnership under that provision, but he took his father's place to become senior partner from July 1833 when he, Smith and Sissons entered into a twelve year agreement, continuing to trade as S Roberts, Smith & Co., and still in the premises in Eyre Street. By 1841 it had a London showroom at Duke Street, Adelphi. When Roberts retired in 1848, the new partners, Evan Smith and William Sissons Snr. traded under the name of Smith, Sissons & Co. In 1858 Smith retired and William Sissons was joined by his sons, William and George and the firm continued as W. & G. Sissons The firm was continued by Walter Sissons and Charles Sissons recorded at St. Mary's Road; Sheffield (1887 and 1896) and also at their new London showrooms at Southampton Stn1et, Strand (1887) and Charterhouse Street, Holborn Circus (1896). During the early twentieth century the business was converted into a limited company and in 1943 was transferred to a subsidiary company trading under the name of Bell Reproductions Ltd. IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 04-12-2004 02:10 PM
Wev, you posted your reply while I was still working on my second. The Bell mark certainly originated in England, but you may well be right about Barbour as many North American silverplate manufacturers used marks derived from England. IP: Logged |
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PamNYorker Posts: 4 |
posted 04-12-2004 02:15 PM
Thank you so much for the information.. it is appreciated! I have never researched silver before.. and I can see there is so much history. Do you think it is possible for me to date them? Pam IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-12-2004 02:23 PM
If it is the Barbour mark, they would date between 1892 (its founding) and 1898 (its absorbtion into International Silver). Do the two small squares just below the lion/bell/plume contain an arm holding a hammer? IP: Logged |
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PamNYorker Posts: 4 |
posted 04-12-2004 02:29 PM
Thank you again so much for your help! Yes.. the two small squares just below the lion/bell/plume contain an arm holding a hammer. The item does not say on it Barbour.. so could it still be Barbour? Was there a period of time they did not put their name on the silver? IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-12-2004 02:39 PM
That is consistant with Barbour's mark. The firm also used the small letters in seperate boxes; versions include B S C E P (Barbour Silver Company Extra Plate), B C E P (Barbour Company Extra Plate), B H E P (Barbour Hartford Extra Plate, I suppose), etc. These all date prior to the International Silver merger, I believe, when the name was more consistantly spelled out. IP: Logged |
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PamNYorker Posts: 4 |
posted 04-12-2004 02:44 PM
Hi.. The platters say HBEP, could they still be Barbour? Also.. under the HBEP it says 8960. Do you know what that would stand for? thank you again so much! IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 04-13-2004 10:43 AM
The number should be the manufacturer's model number. These were used by the manufacturers and retailers to refer quickly and accurately to a particular style and size of an item. [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 04-13-2004).] [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 04-13-2004).] IP: Logged |
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