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hillholl Posts: 39 |
posted 10-16-2005 07:27 PM
  
Wish I could send you a pic! Bought a magnifying glass today to use with camera, still won't show up. I have a Georg Jensen Ornamental curled back spoon. On the back it has his mark (circle of dots, inside circle is GI. underneath that is 820, under that is S), an S inside an octagon, but the next circle has inside it a big primitive crown on the bottom with 2 little crowns sitting side by side on top. I thought the 3 crowns in a circle was a Swedish mark. If I am right then how did a known danish silversmith show up on a Swedish hallmark ? THANKS TO ALL IP: Logged |
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hello Posts: 200 |
posted 10-16-2005 07:58 PM
likely danish probably a town mark? a picture i'm sure would be of assistance. see "how to post pictures". That or someone more more knowlegable than me will reply IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 10-17-2005 01:09 AM
Three crowns in a circle, along with the S in hexagon are Swedish state control import marks, indicating that the piece was brought into Sweden. If the piece were Swedish-made, the crowns would be in a trefoil (mark is often referred to as cat's paw). Would guess that the fineness is either 826 or 830, rather than 820. Cheryl ;o) IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 10-17-2005 02:56 AM
In Swedish marking, the three crowns are invariably equal sized. Your mark does not sound like it is Swedish. IP: Logged |
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hillholl Posts: 39 |
posted 10-17-2005 03:51 PM
Thanks so much for all who replied. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 10-18-2005 01:21 PM
The marks sound a bit odd. Because of that, I would not jump to the conclusion they are Georg Jensen just yet. You really would need to post a good photo of the marks and the over all spoon. Could you also please let us know why you are researching this spoon? [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 10-18-2005).] IP: Logged |
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hillholl Posts: 39 |
posted 10-19-2005 02:28 PM
I have 3 spoons with the G Jensen hallmarks but other hallmarks on the spoons are all different. I'm trying to identify them properly. MY eyes are bad. I have family members describe the hallmarks when I can't make them out. I have an older digital camera and cannot get a pic of the marks even when using a magnifying glass. Am searching for a large more powerful one as we speak (WALMART, TARGET, KMART etc). Thanks so much for your time. I will try to send a pic of the spoon. IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 10-19-2005 03:03 PM
A regular magnifying glass may not be the answer. Try going to an optician and asking for a "cloth tester," a powerful glass with a fixed focal length used to count threads in linen. There is an even more powerful magnifier use by geologists, but I can't recall its name. Hope this helps, IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 10-19-2005 04:34 PM
One of my university degrees is in Geology (part of my mis-spent youth). When I was learning geology at that time we normally just used a jeweler's loupe for our needs for quick and dirty field work. Once we got something back to the lab, though, we used high power polarizing microscopes as our main optical devices. I'm not sure a jeweler's loupe would work all that well in combination with a camera lens, since a loupe is so small. You would likely do much better simply buying or borrowing a new digital camera and make sure it has a decent macro function for closeups. IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 10-19-2005 05:32 PM
Or a flatbed scanner, if you'd have other uses for it -- those can make superb shots even of tiny marks (like the ones I've posted on an art nouveau pin under the Silver Jewelry forum, the smaller of which is less than a millimeter high). As long as the mark can be brought to within about 1/2 inch, sometimes as much as 1 inch, from the glass a scanner can usually capture it. IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 10-19-2005 06:06 PM
The nice thing about the cloth tester is that the lens is set in a frame that stands upright by itself so that you can take a picture through it without too much trouble. Tom IP: Logged |
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hillholl Posts: 39 |
posted 10-19-2005 07:51 PM
WOW thanks to all, I learn something new from every reply. you are all wonderful. IP: Logged |
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hillholl Posts: 39 |
posted 10-19-2005 07:52 PM
Would it work with a commercial copy machine ? IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 10-20-2005 11:58 AM
I've never tried it on a copier, but, with certain reservations, it should work. The main problem is that a copier still wouldn't get it into a digital form that could be emailed. But even beyond that, I don't think the resolution of a copier is as good as a good scanner, and the magnification and contrast are limited. The copier I use at work, for example, I think doesn't go above about 250% magnification (2.5x), and like most copiers it increases the contrast on everything -- it tends to shift greys towards either black or white, depending on whether they're dark or light. The smaller mark I show on the nouveau pin I scanned at 2400dpi to show onscreen at 72dpi -- that's 33.3x magnification (although I then reduced it back down in [photo-editing software]; I find I generally get the best results by oversampling in the scanner and editing back down to the desired size). Still, all things considered, if you were looking for a way to mail a mark to someone a photocopier would be worth trying. If I have time in the next few days I'll run a test batch and report back. IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 10-20-2005 12:04 PM
quick postscript: I'd also agree with Tom's recommendation of a thread count / cloth tester -- or in generic terms a stand magnifier. These are also used in photography and model-making -- even fly-tying -- and are available with fixed stands, legs, clip-on fittings, goosenecks and jointed arms, in magnifications ranging from about 3x to 20x or more, at prices ranging from about $5 up. Very handy devices to have around.... IP: Logged |
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