posted 01-05-2009 12:36 PM            

I am down with the flue

But my mind still works - I suppose that silverhunter will like this spoon. I am just sorry that it is not 1 year older.


The spoon is in mint condition.


The engraving is deep and proff.

And where are we in time and place. Can you tell silverhunter? That ought not to be too difficult. (for you, not for me)

posted 01-05-2009 08:57 PM            

One year older indeed. (Or, if you're like me, maybe seven years newer!) And I'm guessing that even though it doesn't really look like it in the photo, the maker's mark is "CK", right?

posted 01-06-2009 03:33 AM            

(It's the real viking spirit!)I will start looking for the solution at my site and like the spoon.

I hope, Blakstone that you will give the information from your side I recognize some marks but not 100%,about the right age should be a guess.

So I stay in the waiting room and meanwhile look for the marks without to give information about this beautiful, nice, excellent, wonderful, shining, good quality, nice engraved,good pattern, clear narked, old, collectable spoon etc.etc.etc.

Christmas is over,so outside the few wine bottles which I've found under the tree I missed silver gifts. But use the spoon with medical supply and you see after a week a new viking is born!

posted 01-06-2009 06:23 AM            

It should be 17th century that's what I understood by your reaction.

I think the silverhunt(ing) collecting fever is always a good time spend.

Considering the right date for the year letter and silversmith I think I can't find that at this side. The silversmith is CB or GB that's the question and it has to be a silversmith from Rotterdam. Perhaps I can't find that, I have no book information with old date letters, info started at this side from first quarter 19th century.

I hope that I receive my ordered dutch spoon soon and send a topic in the future.

I hope that Blakstone has the total information.

I go back at the place where I belong:
The waiting room!

posted 01-06-2009 07:59 AM            

A dinner spoon made by Anthony Huys Sr. in 1773.First alloy silver(standing lion). The letter P is indicated for 1773.

A dinner fork spoon made by silversmith? in 1735 letter A. Control crowned letter O mark stand for control assay mark? 1807 and the crowned letter control assay mark for ?
Photo's of the seller.

Not in property.
Used for study information.

posted 01-06-2009 08:59 AM            

Just been told that this flue can last 14 days AAAUUGH

I Denmark the deep engraving was taken into use to make it possible to separate silver from Sheffield plate. Silver was 80% of the cost of an item - making, tax, sales and promotion 20% . Therefore Sheffield plate was a hard competition.

I suppose that this with deep engravings also was the "wapon" used in other countries.
And now back for bed.

posted 01-07-2009 03:56 AM            

It's good to get post if someone is ill!
All the best.

There is a change of pattern of course,is the pattern or your spoon older than the date it has?

Only fever-less answers please.

posted 01-07-2009 01:02 PM            

Regarding pattern - I don't know for sure. It is that period. Late 1700 In Denmark we have Baroc - around 1720, we have Rococo after 1750 then we have Louis Seize 1760 until 1790. Directoire 1795-1804 Then Empire (and this pattern is empire)

I suppose that we are around 1800 - anybody else have a point of view?

posted 01-07-2009 11:25 PM            

The top mark, as we have seen, is the maker’s mark of Gerardus Peeters. The second mark – “10” – was the mark used on silver of the second standard of 10 penningen or .833. (The first standard was 11 penningen or .934, and was marked with a crown.) The third mark was a new date letter - a lowercase script “a”, used from October 1807 to March 1809 - beginning a new cycle of letters uniform throughout the realm. The fourth mark was the new Rotterdam city mark (in an oval, like all the new city marks).

These were the four required marks in the Kingdom of Holland: city, fineness, date letter & maker . The last mark here – the crowned “v” – was a tax mark created with the new Netherlands marks of 1814; it was used until 1853 on large silver items offered for re-sale which were unmarked or which bore invalid marks (whether of national or foreign origin) to indicate that the 10% marking duty had been paid. (It was also used on imported items until 1893.)

So, to recap: Rotterdam, 1807/09, by Gerardus Peeters, re-marked after 1814.

By the way, I should explain my comment about the initials on the first spoon being “CK”. To me, they looked like “CP” in the photo, and there was no such maker in Rotterdam at the time. I assumed they must be “CK”, the mark Cornelis Knuystingh, a prolific Rotterdam maker 1780-1811. It did not occur to me that the first letter was the one that was unclear. Sorry about that!

posted 01-13-2009 05:56 AM            

I wonder how many silver/antique shops sell unknown silver items and give it a wrong pattern/period indication by themselves?

The silver items can be also priced very cheap or to expensive by his knowledge.

See the topic for instance of Hose_dk concerning the french Bonbonniere.(great story).

Most antique shops in Holland are specialized in their own national silver and mostly don't sell foreign silver because silver has very wide range and the foreign silver gives also more research for a antique shop owner.

In Holland there is a antique course, but a special course for silver retailer should be made possible, but isn't.

Like a good valuer is starting his knowledge for many years by books,visiting auctions, retail,silver forums(of course!)etc.
It's good to see/to learn the difference between the real items or fakes,or misleading description s ellers sometimes give.

But it's also a learning process which never end. Buying a expensive piece of silver, by doubt always ask a good value for his knowledge.

When for instance a item is for sale, the seller use the pattern number for a data/date,the item it should be give a ? etc.etc.etc.

posted 01-13-2009 11:09 PM            

You make a good point. It does work both ways. Even if seems a little frustating when it doesn't happen to be my way.

The spoon and fork in this post followed by the spoon that I came across in the shop were quite a coincidence at the time.

Thank you for your comments.