Christofle - Marques de Fabrique - 1927

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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 11-09-2003 02:00 PM [01-1300] This weekend June and I managed to get a 1927 Christofle catalogue No. 4. Our ability with French is almost non-existent. It would be a great help if some one of the forum member/linguists would be kind enough to translate. Speaking of forum members who speak/read French, whatever happened to Doobees (aka Sunsan)? Last thing I remember was she was going on 6 week vacation and that was months ago. Christofle Marques de Fabrique page 4 IP: Logged
Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 Registered: May 2003	posted 11-09-2003 04:06 PM Here goes: Factory Marks In order that our clients avoid all confusion, we give below examples of our factory marks for the Small Silverware (?flatware). These marks are a guarantee of perfect manufacture and the application (or plating)of silver announced in our catalogues. (Top row, left to right) Table covers Cadet table covers Dessert covers Coffee spoons, 15 (?centimetres) All other pieces (Bottom row) Special mark for gilded silverware Bar applied in addition to the mark on all our silverware Special mark for extra-plated silverware The property (i.e copyright) of all our models is reserved according to law. [This message has been edited by Patrick Vyvyan (edited 11-09-2003).] IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 11-10-2003 09:51 AM Thank You. The catalogue is mostly flatware and smalls. It includes interesting things like a Cuiller a absinthe. See the post about the Whatzit - Absinthe Thanks again. IP: Logged
akgdc Posts: 289 Registered: Sep 2001	posted 11-12-2003 09:06 AM Interesting find. Just one small clarification to Patrick's translation. "Couverts" in the silverware context means not literally "covers" but rather "place settings" (or "flatware"). Each place setting is a couvert; the French would say "12 couverts" where we'd say "service for 12." IP: Logged
akgdc Posts: 289 Registered: Sep 2001	posted 11-12-2003 09:16 AM Also, if I'm not mistaken, the little numbers beneath the scales refer to the thickness of the plating, indicating square centimeters of surface per gram of pure silver. IP: Logged
Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 Registered: May 2003	posted 11-12-2003 10:41 AM I was indeed thinking of place settings when I translated "covers" - your term is much more appropriate, thanks. My understanding of the numbers within the marks is that they refer to the number of grams of silver used for 12 place settings. See an earlier thread: French standard 1983 - M�tal Argent� = Silverplated IP: Logged
June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1326 Registered: Apr 93	posted 11-12-2003 09:11 PM Thank you for the further clarification on couverts. "Covers" just wasn't doing anything for me. Couldn't figure out what that meant. IP: Logged
t-man-nc Posts: 327 Registered: Mar 2000	posted 11-16-2003 09:29 AM I picked up 36 pieces at an auction, that are Christofle, they have the Scales with a number in them (80 or 800) can't tell which, (too old and blind), so do I have 800 Contential or Plate...? IP: Logged
Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 Registered: May 2003	posted 11-17-2003 12:07 PM In an earlier post, some Christofle sterling marks are shown: Christofle plate or sterling? From this, it appears that the scales symbol was used only for silverplate. I would also expect Christofle solid silver to have the corresponding official French marks (ie the Minerva head)- although I suppose there is the possibility that items produced for sale outside France might carry the local marks? I have heard, too, that Christofle had/has plants outside France - one currently in Brazil, and possibly Germany in the 19th century? So perhaps there are other variations in the marks. Does anyone know if Christofle used 800 grade silver? I haven't seen it before, but this means nothing! IP: Logged
t-man-nc Posts: 327 Registered: Mar 2000	posted 11-21-2003 12:06 PM I just got a 16 power loop, the marks is a Balance with an "84" in it so I suppose it is plate... "Smaug" IP: Logged

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