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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 03-01-2007 11:26 PM
[01-2562] Interesting article about the discovery of Emporer Maxentius' scepter, who ruled for six years until 312AD. The scepter is made of Orichalcum, a legendary gold-coloured brass alloy which parts of the sunken city of Atlantis were said to be forged from. Not really a silver thing, but interesting in showing the antiquity of our subject. quote: IP: Logged |
FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 03-02-2007 11:44 AM
Very cool, and I hadn't seen it -- have circulated it to our archaeology faculty! IP: Logged |
vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 03-04-2007 08:01 AM
I notice on the site that it says that the orb on the top represents the earth. Did the Romans know the earth was round and if so, how did we get to it being flat? IP: Logged |
FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 03-04-2007 09:14 AM
The fact that the earth was not flat was generally known even before the Romans -- see, for example, The Round Earth and Chistopher Columbus. The Romans used orbs in many ways, though, and this representation might have been something else for all we know. I was most curious about the material of that orb, as it appears not to have weathered as badly as the rest, and if they identify it as blue it's orginal color must be apparent. IP: Logged |
Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 03-06-2007 11:08 AM
My guess is that the sphere is not intended to represent the earth, but instead the cosmos which both the Romans and the Greeks thought of as a sphere. If there are any markings on the sphere I would think they would be either stars/constellations or if there are lines they would represent the apparent paths of the sun, moon, major constellations across the sky. When it was made it could even have had some inlaid gold or silver or even jewels, or perhaps just some paint to represent the stars and planets. It would be interesting to do a really detailed inspection/analysis in a well equiped lab to see if this were the case. My thinking that it is the universe is based on my thinking that any self respecting emperor would never be happy with having dominion of just the earth. After all, he was divine and was due the entire cosmos. One other thing that makes me think the orb is the universe is that it is made of a blue/black colored alloy. That is the color the night sky appears to be. Why would they make it that color if it were only the earth? IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 03-06-2007 05:50 PM
I tried to enlarge the image attached to the article.... Maybe someone has a better image? IP: Logged |
Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 03-07-2007 12:55 PM
There are incredibly effective ways these days to examine old 3-dimensional objects that bring out subtle markings that have been eroded or worn away. They take laser images and use computers to enhance the smallest of details that are otherwise not visible to the eye. Also there are techniques to do microscopic assays and such on what something is made of and that can detect old paint residues or inlays. I am surprised there was no mention of this kind of analysis being undertaken on this fascinating and important object. Maybe the article was just too brief to mention it or maybe the archaeologists didn't have a budget to do it. I am a bit surprised the archaeologists seemed to think it was a representation of the earth and not the cosmos though. IP: Logged |
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