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bamaj1 Posts: 32 |
posted 10-05-2002 03:21 PM
  
Got a piece of English silverplate hallmarked for Chester, but the date letter is illegible. Maker's mark is SI Ld or S.I. Ld. Would anyone know what maker this would be and the years of operation? Thanks in advance. IP: Logged |
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bamaj1 Posts: 32 |
posted 10-05-2002 05:28 PM
I guess an image would help, huh? This is on an old plated sugar caster with the Chester assay mark. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4132 |
posted 10-05-2002 05:57 PM
I do not find a SI Lt, but from the shape of the cartouches, the piece dates from 1884-1902. And just a small correction -- the piece is plate, not plated. The former is the English term for sterling goods generally; if it was the latter, it would not be hallmarked. IP: Logged |
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bamaj1 Posts: 32 |
posted 10-05-2002 06:09 PM
Thanks a bunch for that much added information. It does help and I appreciate it. Hope someone still may know the ID of the maker. IP: Logged |
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June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1343 |
posted 10-06-2002 12:51 PM
I am by no means an expert on English silver so I beg the assistance of some of our more knowledgeable participants, but here is what I come up with. The marks are a bit of a conundrum for me. The three sheeths of wheat are definitely the town mark for Chester. The fact that there appears to be no duty mark tells me that the piece was made after May 1890. The makers mark looks for the life of me to be that of Stokes & Ireland Ltd, but they were a Birmingham firm operating from 1892 to 1925. John Culme notes that the firm advertised that they did spinning and stamping for the trade. Perhaps the firm manufactured this piece for assay and retail in Chester? IP: Logged |
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smfc75 Posts: 122 |
posted 01-08-2003 01:35 AM
I'm no expert either, but perhaps a quote from "Jackson's Hallmarks" explains the conundrum: "Much work from the mid-19th C and on is found with Chester marks. The vast majority of this was only hallmarked there, not made there. Most originated from manufacturing centres of which Birmingham was the most important." I haven't been able to find an explanation as to why this was done. Strange, because Birmingham had its own Assay Office since 1773. Does anyone know why items were sent to Chester? IP: Logged |
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 01-08-2003 10:56 AM
Here's a thought. Maybe the Birmingham assay office had more work than they could handle, with all of the mass production in the area in the late 19th century. The Chester office probably had a lot less local work to assay, and may have made their services available to Birmingham manufacturers. Brent IP: Logged |
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Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 10-25-2004 08:13 AM
Most of ther larger, and indeed some of the smaller Birmingham manufacturers sent large quantities of their wares to be hallmarked at Chester in the period 1890-1939. The main reason for this is that there was so much work going through the Birmingham Assay Office at the time that there was often a backlog and time being money it was more efficient to used the (usually) lerss busy Chester Office. MOST c.20 Chester hallmarked pieces are NOT made in Chester!! Stokes & Ireland, of Great Hampton Street, Birmingham is, of course, accurate. (William Henry Stokes & Arthur George Ireland started in 1872.. became a Limited Company in 1892.. the firm was wound up (dissolved) in 1925 and taken over by S. Blanckensee & Son Ltd.) IP: Logged |
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