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akgdc Posts: 289 |
posted 05-06-2005 05:38 PM
I've recently bought a pair of 18th-century Scottish tumbler cups with their original fire gilding inside. As I considered pouring a tumblerful of Laphraoig to celebrate my purchase, a question occurred to me that I have been wondering about for a while: Is it safe to drink from cups that are fire-gilt? The reason I ask this, of course, is that the gilding was achieved by fusing gold to the cups by mixing it with mercury, which of course is highly toxic even in small amounts (although its health effects are not always immediately apparent). In the 18th century, the toxicity of mercury was not well understood (witness the fact that it was used as a "cure" for syphilis ... curing the patient by killing him more quickly). In theory, the mercury was burned off when the tumblers were heated in a fire (thus fusing the gold to the silver). But would there still be traces remaining? This is perhaps not quite as paranoid a question as it seems, since there are cases of people getting lead poisoning from antique lead-glazed ceramics. Can any metallurgists offer help/reassurance? IP: Logged |
nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 05-06-2005 09:52 PM
I can't answer your question directly, but note I still have a mouth full of silver-mercury amalgam fillings. I understand these are no longer used, and in fact dentists are removing them from old fossils like me. IP: Logged |
Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 05-07-2005 03:16 PM
What a way to go! IP: Logged |
Scotia Posts: 125 |
posted 05-08-2005 04:29 PM
Hi there, I was wondering where the cups were from i.e. Edinburgh or provincial? Regards IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 05-08-2005 06:55 PM
FWIW I posed the question to a friend & here is their input re the safety of the mercury. The boiling point of mercury is 675 degrees F. The melting point of Sterling Silver is (.925) is 1640 degrees F. The melting point of 24K gold (1.000) is 1947.52 degrees F. To fuse Gold to Silver you need to alloy it, usually with Silver or Copper, to lower its melting point beneath the 1640 degree melting point of the Silver. 14K yellow gold (.580) has a melting point of about 1550 degrees F. So, at that point you have the 14K Gold warm enough to soften to the point of fusion with Sterling Silver, you have achieved a temperature in excess of twice the boiling point of Mercury, high enough that I think it's quite certain that all elemental Mercury will have boiled off. My friend commented they would not hesitate to join you for a "wee dram" of your favorite malt from your newly acquired tumblers. I hope this helps....I hope I got the info right! Sounds good to me! Enjoy the day! Jersey IP: Logged |
nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 05-08-2005 10:30 PM
I'm guessing you're right, Jersey, that most of the mercury was boiled off. I imagine there is some residual mercury that adhered to the surface or diffused slightly into the porous gilded surface that could be, uh, liberated by libations! But I further imagine that any such mercury leached from the gilding is negligible as compared to that from my dental fillings, and those of millions of others from my era. And it hasn't seemed to have affected me all that much. In fact, I feel betterr than I hve fr mos uv mi liff an snf iry smnfgjh rk j hrefI WAOUerh pxsk ........... IP: Logged |
tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 05-08-2005 11:43 PM
What caused the mood swing, the mercury or the Scotch you pored into the tumblers!? IP: Logged |
nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 05-09-2005 01:03 AM
I'm sure it was the mercury. I'm suing! (Hic!). IP: Logged |
salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 05-09-2005 10:31 PM
Another factor, which has made the mercury amalgams mostly a moot concern, is that elemental mercury is far less toxic than mercury compounds, such as methyl-mercury. Certainly, your dentist will be happy to remove those fillings, but personally, I prefer them over the newer materials. Finally, a discussion of elemental metallic boiling/melting points doesn't directly correlate to metallic mixtures. The pure gold in the gold/mercury amalgam doesn't ever actually "melt", but when the mercury is driven off with heat, it is deposited onto the silver, not fused. IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2377 |
posted 05-09-2005 11:01 PM
Gilding, by Master Gordon Blackwulf gives a brief account of gilding. In the The Theory and Practice of Goldsmithing by Prof. Dr. Erhard Brepohl states:
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11573 |
posted 04-01-2017 07:22 PM
Do Not Use the formula/recipe below. The mercury is poisonous and dangerous!! The following is from:
Clean the silver or other article to be gilded with a brush and a little ammonia water, until it is evenly bright and shows no tarnish. Take a small piece of gold and dissolve it in about four times its volume of metallic mercury, which will be accomplished in a few minutes, forming an amalgam. Put a little of the amalgam on a piece of dry cloth, rub it on the article to be gilded. Then place on a stone in a furnace, and heat to the beginning of redness. After cooling, it must be cleaned with a brush and a little cream of tartar, and a beautiful and permanent gilding will be found. IP: Logged |
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