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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-13-2010 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow!
I just read where a giant wine cistern sold yesterday for 2.2£.
I am not at my computer so I'm hopeing someone can post a picture for all of you to see & share.

Thank you!

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 07-13-2010 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here you go!

The Great Silver Wine Cistern made for Thomas Wentworth sold for £2,505,250

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-13-2010 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Fred!

Thank you SO much for your help!
Great piece, no? Wish I had it!

I wish I could post pixs!

Jersey

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 07-14-2010 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a massive piece at 2,597.5 ounces (you could bath in it. If my hasty calculation is right, that makes it £965.50 per ounce. You could easily pay more per ounce for a good early spoon. Does that make the cistern a bargain at the price? I guess the new owner must think so.

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chase33

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iconnumber posted 07-14-2010 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a link about the cistern before the auction with a great picture of the cistern.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-14-2010 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello chase33!

Thanks for a really cool shot!
Wonder how many gallons of wine it would hold?

Anyone have the hallmark of the maker?

Jersey

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 07-16-2010 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FredZ:
Here you go!

The Great Silver Wine Cistern made for Thomas Wentworth sold for £2,505,250
Fred

At today's rate, that equals $3,837,664, which pales in the face of the c.1700 Cornelius Kierstede punch bowl which sold at Sothby's NY this past January for $5,906,500! Considered the largest known early 17th Century American silver object it was all of 12 1/4 inches in diameter, and 17 1/4 inches across the handles, weight 66oz 8 dwt (2065 g). It can be seen on Sothby's New York website, sales results for sale No. N08608, 22 January, 2010, lot 443.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-17-2010 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Swarter,

Considering one is English, one American...I'll have one of each thank you very much!

Are Indian beads acceptable as payment? OTOH today they might be! I'll pass on Manhattan..for now!

Seriously, they are both Superb!

Jersey

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iconnumber posted 08-08-2010 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Lord Raby’s great wine cistern
June 17, 2010
by John Culme


    cistern

    Lord Raby’s silver wine cistern,
    maker’s mark of Philip Rollos senior, Britannia standard,
    London, 1705/06,
    engraved with the arms of Queen Anne,
    which is to be offered for sale in the Treasures sale at Sotheby’s,
    London, on 6 July;
    weighing over 80kg (2,500 troy ounces),
    and measuring 129.5cm (51in) over handles,
    it is expected to realize between £1.5 and 2.5 million.
    (photo: Sotheby’s, London)

Last week The Daily Telegraph published a photograph taken at Sotheby’s, London, of 19 month old Leo emerging happily from what looked like a silver bath. This was no gimmick, however, because the ‘bath’ was actually a 300 year old cistern or wine cooler which has been sent for sale and the photograph, complete with baby Leo, demonstrated to perfection the vessel’s enormous size. In fact, of the ten such cisterns made at the expense of the public purse during Queen Anne’s reign, this was the largest and heaviest.

Created between about September 1705 and 9 May 1706 in the workshops of Philip Rollos, this wonderful object has descended in the present owner, the Marquis of Lothian’s family since it was made. Even more extraordinary is that it has evaded the notice of connoisseurs of old English silver, including the late Dr Norman Penzer who in 1957 published a list of what he thought were all 25 or so surviving cisterns. Furthermore, it is only within the past three months that the precise origin of the piece has come to light.

The cistern originally belonged to Thomas Wentworth, 3rd Baron Raby (1672-1739); it formed part of his allocation of silver and silver-gilt when Queen Anne’s Ambassador to Berlin between 1706 and 1711. The magnificent size of the piece, together with the noble effect of his other plate were calculated to add lustre both to Raby’s office and to him personally as a trusted representative of the British monarch.


    cistern2

    Lord Raby’s great wine cistern recently in a photographic studio at Sotheby’s
    (photo: Sotheby’s, London)


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