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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-09-2007 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hello!

This may sound like a strange question, but has anyone ever heard of a bottle or some such that was used to collect tears? I thought I had read about such a thing but for the life of me cannot recall where I read it, or if it was just my imagination.

Thank you as always for your time.

Jersey

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 07-09-2007 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not know if such a bottle exists. There are many references to the magical quality of tears in mythological stories. A 'made for television' version of Arthur and Merlin does use a tear bottle.

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 07-09-2007 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the Roman antiquities field, very small glass vials are known as tear bottles, probably because the original cataloguers had no idea what they were for and they had overused the ubiquitious "cult object" label !

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 07-10-2007 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The term I have heard is 'lachrymosae' which is derived from the Latin word for tears. The idea being that at a funeral, mourners would shed tears into the small vial. This would then be a remembrance of the love and honor shown the departed. These generally are considered part of mourning jewelry.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-11-2007 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try doing an Internet search on lachrymatory tear bottle.

Etymology: "Lachrymatory" comes to us from Middle French or Medieval Latin "lacrymal" from Medieval Latin "lacrimalis," the adjective from Latin lacrima "tear." This noun descended from an older Latin "dacrima," related to Greek dakry "tear," a distant cousin to Old High German zahar "tear" which produced modern German Zähre "tear" and Old English tæhher which is today, "tear."


    National Maritime Museum, London
    Date made: 1st century BC or 1st century AD
    A small Roman pottery flask, known as a tear bottle or lachrimatory, found by amateur divers near the entrance to Lulworth Cove in Dorset, in the vicinity of a stone anchor. Lachrimatories were small glass or earthen vessels used to hold the tears of mourners. They were buried with urns containing the ashes of the deceased. The bottle is conical with a flattened, slightly indented base and a small hole at the top.

Many believe a lachrymatory or tear bottles were a Victorian era invention but it was a re-invention that became very fashionable. In earlier times, the lachrymatory or tear bottles were also called lachrymal (i.e., a small, narrow-necked vase found in ancient Roman tombs) thought to have been used to catch and keep the tears of bereaved friends. Tear bottles were prevalent in ancient Roman times, when mourners filled small glass vials with tears and placed them in burial tombs as symbols of love and respect. Also the Biblical Psalm 56:8 where David prays to God, "Thou tellest my wanderings, put thou my tears in Thy bottle; are they not in Thy Book?" a figurative request referring to the "no'dh" or ancient Hebrew leathern water flask.

During the Victorian period, those mourning the loss of loved ones would collect their tears in lachrymatory bottles with special stoppers that allowed the tears to evaporate. When the tears had evaporated, the mourning period would end.

In some American Civil War stories, women were said to have cried into tear bottles and saved them until their husbands returned from battle. Their collected tears would show the men how much they were adored and missed.

Tear bottles are still made and marketed today, often with silver mounts. They are given to symbolize joy and love for other's important rites of passage. Births, adoptions, graduations, and weddings or during times of sadness, such as illness or death and some choose to give the lachrymatory or tear bottles as purely symbolic gifts.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-11-2007 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello!

To all of you who took the time to respond..Dale, Scott, Clive, Argentum.. I am overwhelmed. What wonderful stories to explain the use of such an item. Also, I now know I am not imagining things, and my kids don't have to put me away just yet! I have also increased my vocabulary with the wonderful word lachrymatory.....that is right up there with Mascarons & Okefenokee on my favorite fun words list.

Just another question please. Did they always have, or have to have stoppers?

Thanks again for your generous sharing of information & expertise.

Hopefully none of us will ever have to need one!
Enjoy the day!
Jersey

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Scott Martin
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dellavestella posted 02-21-2008 10:04 PM in the New Members' Forum
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There was a question on another forum but since I am a new member I will answer here. Sylvan Bros., a jewelry store in Columbia, SC, had an exhibit of antique items. (recovered from shipwrecks? I forget) One item was a bottle to hold tears. When a family member died the family hired a professional mourner for the funeral who was paid by the amount of tears, hence a bottle so the tears could be measured.

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