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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 11-19-2007 07:45 PM
  
[01-2603] Hello Members! Do any of you of thoughts about purchasing reproduction pieces, good/bad idea? Example might be if a reputable maker recreates a piece made at an earlier time (like a 1700's piece) & some that may be only seen in Museums. I know there was an uproar when Rockefeller did this with certain antiquities, but now they have been more or less accepted. Of course, if it is marked as a repro that's one thing however in doing our forum search I have found that some of the repro's are faked too. It's enough to keep you awake at night. Happy & Safe Thanksgiving to ALL! IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 11-21-2007 08:39 PM
For my money - if the repro is well done and acknowledged as such - it does have its place. This particularly if the traditional method of manufacture was used. It's an interesting 'sub text' and with U.K. material in particular the hallmarks tell all, if someone doesn't tamper with them that is. But in the overall scheme of things it is probably not good for the craft, as it tends to hamper the development of contemporary style. IMHO. IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 11-26-2007 02:22 PM
In general, I would not be interested in having reproductions as part of my collection. The exception to that might be a Victorian era dish ring, since I cannot possibly afford an Irish Georgian version, and they are beautiful in their own right. IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 11-26-2007 09:30 PM
I don't know; at some point, good reproductions become collectible in their own right. Tiffany did a very fine line of English Georgian and American Colonial reproductions in the 1920s-30s. They're always marked on the underside with information on the original from which they are taken and, while pricey today, they are much more affordable than the real thing. I've often wondered: does anyone know if there's ever been anything written on the line I'm talking about? I've seen at least a dozen different replicas in this series, and every time I do see one I think 1) a complete collection of the series would be pretty impressive in and of itself, and 2) just how many were there? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 11-27-2007 01:25 PM
A collector interested only in amassing antiques may have no interest in owning anything that is not original and authentic. Others, however, with broader interests, such as function, the development of style, or other historical considerations, might wish to have an example of some significant milestone in development which they might otherwise never be able to obtain. It enables one to get a feel (both literally and fiiguratively) for past objects and how they compare with other objects in one's collection. One of the best examples is that of John Coney's Teapot, a one-of-a-kind object of considerable historical significance, of which photographs have been widely published, but is otherwise unavailable for most people to see "in person". In the photographs, however, only one side has been shown, and none show side-by-side comparisons with other objects. It is posssible to learn much about the object by having a faithful reproduction to handle and study. The discussion in that thread was elucidating both for me and the others who participated, and although some controversy was generated, it was, I think, a rewarding experience, and makes it worth its relatively modest purchase price. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 11-27-2007).] IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 11-28-2007 08:29 PM
Hello again! Thank you adelapt, doc, blakstone, & swarter for you very insightful comments. I have been hesitant about purchasing some, but as noted one may never have a chance to own originals, so it's the next best thing for certain rare pieces. Swarter, funny you should mention John Coney I have seen a cup of his done for a Museum in Boston I think by a Peter Acquisto. A question also is are most reproductions done by reputable silversmiths? Also do Coney's original pieces have his Thank you all so much again for your comments & time. Enjoy the day! IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 11-29-2007 11:11 AM
quote: I should think that most museum replicas made of objects in their collections could reasonably be expected to have done by skilled craftsmen. Others would have to be judged on a case by case basis. Coney's works do bear his mark, but almost certainly it also has been forged by unscrupulous individuals, so buyine works purportedly by well-known early silversmiths must always be done with caution. IP: Logged |
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salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 11-29-2007 05:02 PM
Well, I can't say I'm much of a collector (price is too much of a concern to me), but I love reproductions (barring most Revere bowls) and wish I had that list of 11 done by Gorham for the MOMA (I have one of the spoons). IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 11-29-2007 08:12 PM
Swarter, Thank you again for your response. Question again, did Coney ever not sign his work? To salmoned: I hope that price has no bearing on having a collection. Thanks again the information. Great Day to you! IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 11-29-2007 10:02 PM
There were 11 items in the MMA (Metropolitan Museum of Art) series by Gorham, seven of them holloware, and four spoons. They are:
The teapot is pictured in the John Coney's teapot thread mentioned earlier, and the cream pitcher in a thread on another Early cream pot -- provenance lost. IP: Logged |
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salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 11-30-2007 03:54 PM
Thank you, Swarter! Anyone can have a collection, but I define a collector as someone willing to pay dearly [without regard to resale value] for a desired addition. I have not personally reached that level, yet. Here's my modest Revere Teaspoon Repro (5 3/8"): IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 12-03-2007 09:23 AM
Hello again swarter! Thank you for the list of Gorham items. Now I have something else to look for. I do believe I have a Revere repro serving spoon. I have to get it out for Christmas dinner. Jersey IP: Logged |
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nautilusjv Posts: 253 |
posted 08-08-2014 08:02 AM
Hello. Does anyone know if there is a catalogue of the Met repro pieces or any other references that talk about this items? Thanks! IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 09-05-2014 10:10 PM
I'm fine with reproductions but only if they are clearly marked as such and in a way that a bad person can not easily erase or change the marking. Yet, I would rather see something "in the style of" where a talented silversmith adds something creative and elegant of their own to an old design. And, when it comes to a maker reproducing one of their own old designs I would like to see them put a clear date marking on it so that no one in the future could mistake a later example with an old original. For example, while I can easily tell the difference between a current production of a very old pattern of flatware, not everyone can. The way they made flatware in the late 1800s and early 1900s resulted in far superior detail and its very feel than modern production of the same patterns. I am not sure if this is because modern factories have lost the knowledge to be able to make something of the quality of the early flatware, or if modern factories use so many shortcuts at the expense of the resulting quality to maximize profits and keep pricing relatively affordable. [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 09-06-2014).] IP: Logged |
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