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Brent

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2008 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all,

As a dealer,collector, and general lover of silver, I just want to make the following statement to everyone:

If you see a piece of silver you want these days, and the price is low, you had best buy it.

I know this has been discussed in various other threads, but I just wanted to add my bit.

Currently, the spot price of silver is over $18.00 per troy ounce, the highest it has been since the Hunts tried to corner the market 25 years ago. On a practical level, this translates to scrap payments of upwards of $14 per Troy Ounce STERLING, depending on who is doing the buying. A traspoon from a major maunfacturer will often weigh about 1 Troy ounce; a dinner fork may be 2 ounces or more

At present, people at all levels of the silver business are selling pieces for scrap. Major pattern flatware matchers, top dealers, mid range dealers all the way down to flea market vendors. That doesn't even address the numerous people who know nothing about antiques and will happily scrap anything they find. Any goober with a scale can make money in the scrap game, and they do. Underpriced items on auction sites are also selling for scrap if there are no collectors bidding. Have you noticed the disappearance of $10 and $15 a piece bins of silver at antique shows? Guess where they have gone.

Anyway, if you see something you want for sale in any venue, and the asking price is around $14 to 18 a troy ounce, you really ought to buy it. This goes especially for people collecting flatware in less popular patterns. If the price stays up or increases further, it is all going to end up in the melting pot. If you don't buy now, you may not have another chance. In poor economic conditions, many dealers are opting to transform dead stock into quick cash, often for more money than antique buyers are willing to pay to preserve things.

Sorry to be a downer, but this situation concerns me, and it ought to concern you if you haven't been paying attention.

Brent

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IJP

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2008 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IJP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The forum thread Silver Market Value in 1980 briefly illustrates the consequences of the rising value of silver. A few more threads are mentioned therein, although their links are inoperative. In the case especially of sterling items of historical significance of any degree, their destruction by persons wishing to make a quick buck is a real shame.

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salmoned

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2008 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for salmoned     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, U.S. inflation is likely to continue for the next few years at least, so I wouldn't anticipate lower silver prices. I've collected a supply of 'scrap' silver so I can sell it later to pay for all the pieces I keep.

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 02-27-2008 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are seeing this tendency in England too . Low desirability silver is now being sold at auction far easier than two years ago, but only for " scrap price plus margin" .
Natural selection. But the problem is going to be that when all the common or garden flatware disappears into the melting pot, the better material will get more use.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 02-28-2008 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are the Morgan Silver dollars being advertized on TV for $19 then a good buy?

Tom

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 02-28-2008 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good to see you back, Tom - it's been a while, no?

Not to be too cynical, but is anything advertised on TV a good buy? Some Morgan dollars would be steal at that price, but you can bet the ones being offered are common dates and likely worn to boot. If you want to bet that silver will continue to climb dramatically there are undoubtedly better ways to go about it.

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adelapt

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iconnumber posted 02-28-2008 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My take on this subject is a little different to the "buy now or maybe never" school. Yes - I do have that impulse to urgently buy - but then I ask myself "Am I a collector, or a scrap metal dealer?". From experience, scrap style silver does go up and down with the bullion price, but good interesting objects are usually priced somewhat above, and do not respond so readily. Add to that, the silverware trade tends to slow down when bullion rises rapidly (unless you're selling low end goods to the person carrying the scales).

During the last run on silver, c1980, I was buying a particular bullion coin at up to $6 each. The final lot I bought at $6, I sold at $6 each the day the market turned. The final seller I'd been trying to buy from would not accept my $6 offer, saying she'd wait for the price to go up further. She's been waiting about 28 years for them to reach that level again...they just have. But 2008 $s aren't $1980 $s...

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 03-02-2008 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all,

First, let me say, that no one paying attention to this site starts out to be a scrap dealer.

Secondly, as Brent, I make my living in the silver business, and whole heartedly second his admonition to buy it when you see it. With silver prices being way up, more silver is coming out of attics and basements. This is a true boon to collectors, as the quantities passing through dealers hands precludes close inspection. There is a lot of really good merchandise being unearthed, and you should get a share..

Unlike Brent, I do not see this as a downer, but as a great buying opportunity.

As you are a collector, talk to your suppliers more often, hit the antique shows and flea markets early on the first day or try to get in when the dealers are setting up, offer to help sort silver for free ( you will be surprised how many dealers do not know coin from plated without acid tests), visit pawn and antique shops, and if you can, make friends with the folks who run smelters. Check all the auctions also.

Marc

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 03-02-2008 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'First, let me say, that no one paying attention to this site starts out to be a scrap dealer.'

Actually, I have met a number of people who started out that way. They began with scraping. Then had a piece they really liked. Soon had a number of pieces. Then began to read up on the subject. Several dealers I knew came up that way.

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2008 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dale,

I do not know anyone who, growing up, said "I want to be a 'scrap dealer'". We all started out in other lines of work, and because we were aware of our surroundings , and liked quick and easy income, we jumped on the bandwagon. Because we were curious, we, you and I, and several thousand others expanded our horizons beyond scrap. Being curious does pay off. This site is proof of that. Marc

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2008 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think most of us , if asked the question "how did you get into collecting silver" would give the same answer as the apocryphal hooker.
"Just lucky I guess" !

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2008 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Last weekend the monthly antique market in Atlanta was awash with electronic scales for measuring the weight of silver and gold. In previous months I have always see a few, but now just about everyone that sells silver or gold has a scale and they have gone through their inventory to cull out under priced items.

Plain patterns that have little market appeal go first to the scrap dealer. Brent's "buy it now before it disappears" is good advice.

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