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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 10-13-2010 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coulage d'une cuillère médiévale en argent.
Casting of a medieval silver spoon.

Présentation et démonstration de ma réplique d'une forge médiévale du 13 ème siècle.
Presentation and demonstration of a medieval blacksmith replica of the 13th century silver spoon.

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jersey

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C'est formidable Scott!
Tres bien, merci!

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argentum1

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Yep, those were the good ole days.

[This message has been edited by argentum1 (edited 10-15-2010).]

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middletom

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Scott,

That is a great video, but it makes me wonder why they cast spoons in the medieval period, and later switched to forging. It would seem to me that even in the medieval period they would have known that forging made a stronger piece. Have you any information about the history of those changes that the flatware processes underwent?

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I think it may have varied a bit from country to country. In Britain the few surviving Saxon and early Norman spoons seem to have been cast. The reason might simply be a continuation of the Roman tradition but I suspect it was more because the handles had zoomorphic decoration which would have taken an awful lot of cutting and filing. From the 13th/14th centuries on spoons were forged. They now had plainer handles. When finials became more ornate again, the finials were cast separately and soldered on.

I think casting may have lingered longer in some parts of Continental Europe but that is at least sometimes linked with retaining more ornate handles.

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swarter
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It would seem the same method was used to cast some base metal spoons (bronze in the demonstration video, but certainly also pewter* ), which surely would have been more common than silver, and a simpler and more familiar method to those practitioners than forging.

* according to the Encyclopedia Britannica definition, some forms of latten (brass or a brass alloy, which was usually beaten into sheets) were also cast.

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Yes indeed. I was thinking only of silver but you are right. Pewter and latten spoons were generally cast.

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middletom

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Thank you for the information. It does make sense that the elaborate pieces would have to be cast.

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