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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2007 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am in the midst of polishing up my grandmother-in-law's c1920 Crichton sterling tea set to use next week. (I've only displayed it, never used it before.)

I've just found a weird stain in the hot water pot that I can't get out. It's at the very bottom, as if an inch of liquid had been left. Brown colored --you'd almost think it was rust coating the bottom.

The problem with this piece (and obviously why the stain is there) is that it has a very narrow neck and a bulbous base. There's no way to get a hand in to polish it, and it's hard to see in. This is not a tarnish in the silver; I wrapped a wooden spoon with a paper towel and some of it rubbed off.

I want to use this without poisoning my guests! The only thing I can imagine is somehow letting it soak...but I don't know what with. Would vinegar be a disaster? I'm guessing I need to disolve some half-century-old layer of tea or coffee.

The rest of the interior has a slight yellow cast -- almost like a gold wash, but much,much thinner, so I assume this the yellow tint is tarnish especially as none of the other pieces have gold.

Please, please don't tell me to search the site for tips on silver care. I have done that. I have studied Jeff Herman's website. But alas, I can find no clues on dissolving antique gunk...I'd be grateful for any advice!

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2007 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never really figured out how to do this either. If you are very lucky, this may be lacquer. But that is a faint hope. Try a little nail polish remover on cotton and see if that does anything.

Otherwise, sometimes boiling, really boiling water and Ivory liquid soap will clean it. Or, dishwasher gel, not powder. Sort of coat the interior with the gel, let it sit, maybe spray a bit of water on. Then gently wipe down the interior and rinse, rinse, rinse.

My own experience has been that frequently there is something in dishwasher gel that will remove old hard set organic stains. Add it to the wash water when cleaning old linens.

Please let us know if any of this works.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 02-25-2007 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I wrapped a wooden spoon with a paper towel and some of it rubbed off.

Since some rubbed off you might try a slurry of crushed/chipped ice and vigorous rotational shaking. I have also heard that of slurry of rice works.

Do it once or twice without detergent and then with a very very small amount of detergent. If you use too much detergent you'll get too much in the way of suds/foam.

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2007 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many thanks for your prompt replies! I suspect the ice/rice trick won't work, because it was hard to scrape off, and the parts that I did manage to scrape a bit don't look clean. (I can really only see the middle of the bottom, by shining a light at it.)

I'll try the gel dishwasher detergent trick --I've had luck with the powder sort in getting stains out of our Braun coffeemaker.

Two other possibilities, that I found from searching the Web:

  1. Some people suggest distilled white vinegar for cleaning silver; some say under no circumstances use vinegar.
  2. I found a recommendation for using denture tablets to clean sterling jewelry.

Any thoughts on those?

I do think it needs soaking with some agent that will dissolve or loosen whatever is there.

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2007 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On a pragmatic level, if the stain is hard to see, and very difficult to remove, you might consider doing nothing. No one will notice it, if it cannot be dissolved in strong solvents etc it is unlikely to contaminate anything you are intending to drink from it, even less poison you. As long as it is treated with boiling water before use it is unlikely to harbour any nasty micro - organisms, particularly as silver has some anti-bacterial properties anyhow .

[This message has been edited by Clive E Taylor (edited 02-26-2007).]

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 03-01-2007 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't reported back, because I needed to buy some dishwasher gel to try Dale's suggestion. But here's the thing: I looked at the ingredients on a number of brands, and they all contain chlorine bleach. Wouldn't that be a problem? Am I better off trying to dissolve a concentrated solution of the powdered kind, which doesn't seem to contain bleach?

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 03-02-2007 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chlorine bleach can darken silver -- I use the solution sometimes to renew dark areas that have been polilshed too bright, and it can also be used sometimes to reveal marks that are badly worn (I've written about that before). I assume it's a reaction producing silver chloride, although I don't know that. So I'd avoid it and use another option.

The rule in conservation is to always start with the least damaging option and move up from there. I'd start with something like boiling water, then maybe the same with the addition of a drop of dishwashing liquid, then maybe hot white vinegar (I don't know of any problem with that and silver). Then if you want to try chemical solvents, first grain alcohol, then maybe acetone or turpentine -- but if you use the latter be sure to wash it very well before using with food!

But really, as Clive said, if it isn't visible, and it doesn't remove with boiling water or vinegar or alcohol, then why worry about it?

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 03-02-2007 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's very helpful info -- many thanks!

The Clive solution might be the way to go. I have been soaking the pot with boiling water and liquid Joy. The reason to really try to clean it up was that the pot had a strong sort of metallic odor, and I could see a VERY slight discoloration in water poured into a white cup.

But now the odor seems to have dissipated and the pot rinses clear. Maybe if I make my tea strong enough, it will all be a non-issue!

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 03-10-2007 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you use leaves instead of bags, it works real well.

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2007 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can now report back: I had my tea. It was a success. No one was poisoned.smile (At least I haven't heard that they were.)

FWIW, in case anyone is curious, I used the serving technique that my mother and her friends (and most caterers in this area) have adopted for teas with a large number of guests: Brew the tea separately in a large pan (e.g. pasta pot) on the stove (start with 8 bags for 6 minutes or 6 bags for 8 min, then check for strength). Ladle tea into pot (with ladle or very small saucepan). Some people use the traditional pair of tea pot/hot water pot, but most people brew to an acceptable medium strength and simply fill both pots. When the pourer starts in on Pot #2, someone goes to the kitchen to refill Pot #1. (My two pots together hold 16-18 cups of tea.) Keep a full boiled kettle simmering on the stove, just in case you need to make more. And in a further nod to modernity smile, I use the waste bowl in the service for packets of Equal (in addition to cubes in the sugar bowl). My set also has a third pot on a stand with a small heater, but that sits on the sideboard.

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