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chicagosilver Posts: 227 |
posted 12-01-2011 09:41 AM
Yes, I know, it's not silver (there is lead in the crystal), but this is yet another example of how little respect there is for handicraft in our culture. After over a century in business, Steuben Glass is no more. It closed its last factory in Corning, NY Tuesday, firing most of its 60 employees. At one point, Steuben glass was nearly as popular as that from Tiffany or Lalique. Now, like so many silver makers, it's history. One of the most discouraging trends today is that too many young people sneer at handmade things, calling them anachronisms. They say "why spend money on a handmade bowl when you can buy a nice imported machine-made one for a lot less, then buy a flat-screen TV or a weekend vacation with the savings?" Maybe they're right. But there's still a lot of value in hand craftsmanship. Unfortunately, while there are still a few individuals creating beautiful decorative objects today, the people on this forum may end up as curators and historians of a handicraft movement that is disappearing as we watch. IP: Logged |
argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 12-01-2011 01:04 PM
When I go shopping most of what I see is 'made in china'. It is not that much less than 'Made In U.S.A.'. So now on to the silver; After talking to the kids and other relatives no one really wants the silver. If they do not want it then they will not get it just to sell as bullion. They will get enough as it is. And this is why most of it has been donated to several county historical societies and a few museums. Just call me the grumpy old geezer. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 12-01-2011 02:35 PM
My Sadness grows. ..... I have often thought starting a forum that would help drawn in the young and mass production consumer smart phone zombies. But I soon came to realize unless the moderators were fluent in ”txt” and 'twitter" speak then how would we ever know the Guidelines were being followed ? When I was young my parents would carefully consider every purchase. Sure there were purchases that would overtime depreciate. But the purchases with declining value would be kept to a minium and my parents made sure we got the maximum from those purchases. Generally when household contents were purchased by my parent, they did their best to buy what was a good long term investment. Our household contents was a way to build family wealth. Today its not the same. Today its more "do I have the latest and greatest" consumerism. Today, the minute something is purchased it becomes less valued & too easily disposable for what is the next buzz. IP: Logged |
middletom Posts: 467 |
posted 12-01-2011 10:23 PM
I also see the decline in interest in well-made, handmade items among the young. Some families seem to pass the appreciation on to the following generations though they are few and far between. We recently had a visit from one of the grandsons of Julio Gallo, the wine maker, for we have made a great deal of silver for their family and as he was coming this way for business and decided to stop in and see us for himself. The whole Gallo family has spoken about how much they love our silver but this young man had to admit that he seldom used his ONC silver. We told him to use it, for that was what it was made for. He and his wife left us with a greater appreciation for their silver from having seen just how it was made and learning that the "hand" in handwrought was not just ad speak. I hope that in the future enough young folks can become interested in the finer rather than the newest things. I suspect, though, I am a "voice crying in the wilderness". middletom IP: Logged |
agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 12-02-2011 07:51 AM
I agree with everything said above and feel that it is a changing world. There are three issues with "hand made". The first I feel quite strongly about and that is that the companies that are gone mostly relied on old/bad design that did not keep up with young taste. Second it is expensive. Lastly you have to search it out, so if you do not know or have never lived with it, compared to mass produced it is relatively hidden. I think these three things have conspired to sink the decorative arts. They are not dead but are dwindling, there will always be people who make beautiful things just less and less. If any of you have a chance go to one of the best craft shows, Smithsonian (at the Renwick), Philadelphia Museum Of Art or Evenston, IL (American Craft Exposition). They have some of the best craft/hand made design in the country. As for silver I find there is a market for that one special thing and my young customers are happy to buy it. They do not want a lot of old silver. IP: Logged |
chicagosilver Posts: 227 |
posted 12-02-2011 08:59 AM
Yes, many failed decorative arts companies relied on old designs, but the recent articles on Steuben say one of their downfalls was "push[ing] too much what they thought was trendiness" (Mary Jean Madigan, Steuben expert), and trying to mass-market items that required a certain sophistication in taste. When I talk to younger people about silver they say it feels dated, and they don't want to polish it. They'd rather spend their money on immediate gratification (fancy dinners, new clothes, vacations, electronics). Some of this is expected. Youth is wasted on the young. But part is a result of bad examples. Kids just don't see great silver pieces. They don't go to museums, and a lot of museums just throw all their silver into one overwhelming room. Department stores offer schlocky silver without much character. The only exposure kids get is in seeing junky tarnished silverplate at aged Aunt Bessie's house. If you show a few timeless silver objects (especially jewelry) to the ones with better artistic sensibilities they do like them. But buying silver is just not on their radar. IP: Logged |
middletom Posts: 467 |
posted 12-03-2011 02:06 PM
The great majority of our customers are those who have matured and made some money for themselves and have learned an appreciation for the finer things in life and have grown to understand the special feel and look of handwrought silver. We do not sell much at all to the bridal market because it is hard to ask someone to spend a thousand dollars for a gift and that gift is just one place setting of silver. As long as we can reach those who are our market, I feel we will always have an appreciative group to keep us going. The big "if" is whether ownership can bring itself to promote the silver to the audience awaiting the contact and enlightenment. We can rest on our laurels only so long. middletom IP: Logged |
seaduck Posts: 350 |
posted 12-03-2011 03:46 PM
A couple of comments:
FWIW, I have some lovely contemporary silver pieces. When they are out, visitors are awestruck by them. No one ever comments on my 18th c treasures. And writing that makes me think of another possible problem -- maybe "tastemakers" are reluctant to speak publicly about their collections for fear of theft. IP: Logged |
Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 12-03-2011 10:38 PM
I'm sorry to see such an important name to go away. I have two of their small animals. At the same time I can not say I am surprised. With a small handful of exceptions their modern designs were not very graceful or artistic and that is what they should have focused on since they priced themselves at the highest end. Hand wrought is really wonderful, but you have to combine that with something truly breathtaking in design to be successful. When you look at the original pieces designed by Frederick Carder and Thomas Hawkes they are really incredibly beautiful. I have an original signed Hawkes bowl that is far beyond the modern Steuben in quality and beauty. The company left that tradition and without such genius artistic designers they struggled and relied too much on their storied name. I also have some Lalique glass and while they are a little better, in my opinion more than three quarters of their glass is not well designed compared to what they used to have back when René Lalique was their designer - he was an artistic genius in my opinion. Or even modern Tiffany. I think they, too, have lost their way in their silverware in terms of quality and detailing, as well as their other lines. In my opinion they made a mistake by hiring people like Elsa Peretti and Paloma Picasso to be their lead designers as they have taken them so far from the beauty and grace that Louis Comfort Tiffany originally created. [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 12-03-2011).] IP: Logged |
Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 12-03-2011 11:58 PM
There's a strong thread of enthusiasm among some circles young people for handmade objects, which overlaps with enthusiasm for environmentalism. You can see it in the rise of etsy, for example, an online marketplace for handcrafted items, which are often made by hobbyists. And antiques are certainly "green"--they don't take new resources to produce. But I don't know how much this translates to young people actually buying hand-wrought silver. $12 block-printed dish towels, maybe. $1000 sterling place settings, probably not. IP: Logged |
Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 12-04-2011 11:30 PM
Hi there, A few big downside players in this game have not been mentioned. The first for the younger people are education loans, things that the older crowd never had to deal with on this level. The young adults these days, those that have jobs, are running fast just to keep their head above water. Ask Scott what he paid for grad school... And we wonder why they don't want silver, or china, or crystal as much. And us, the older generation, who have seen our portfolios crash and burn. Makes us a little more careful about what we purchase. But, I am getting more house calls from 'empty nesters', downsizing and selling family heirloom silver and china and crystal, I also will miss Stuben, and all the other handcrafted pretties. IP: Logged |
argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 12-05-2011 12:48 AM
I go back a bit further which is 1964. My textbooks for 15 quarter hours cost me a whooping $95.00, ooh what I would give for the old days. Am I crazy, my first years salary was just under $12,000.00. IP: Logged |
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