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chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 12-28-2011 07:03 PM
Hi All Hope everyone is having a great holiday season! I have the opprtunity to purchase a pair of candlesticks and need some opinions. They have a sterling top and bottom that are pierced and very ornate (circa 1890-1900). The center section on each is a tapered crystal cylinder with (I think) wheel-cut engraving. Unfortunately, the tops and bottoms have come apart from the crystal cylinders. The cylinders are not broken. Do you think these can be repaired? I know that superglue was tried on one of them and it did seem to hold. So to purchase and repair or just wait? They really are a cool pair of candlesticks that I would love to have but the "damage" kinda scares me. Any opinions would be greatfully accepted. Robert IP: Logged |
Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 12-28-2011 07:20 PM
Hi there, Easily repairable if all that is wrong is what you say.. And if inexpensive, and you like them, they need to be purchased. IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 12-28-2011 08:30 PM
Hello Robert, Just my thought, but I would also consider if the manufacturer has a good name. That would influence me. Jersey IP: Logged |
chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 12-28-2011 09:01 PM
Yes the manufacturer is Shreve and that is one thing that makes me lean towards buying them. IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 12-28-2011 10:42 PM
Hello again. That's great! Now I have another question for you. Are not the glass insert supposed to separate from the candlesticks? Maybe I'm not to bright but mine do. Thank you for your time. I hope I'm not sounding too dumb. Good luck & go with your heart! BTW IP: Logged |
chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 12-28-2011 10:54 PM
Hi Jersey No these aren't inserts per se. They are the columns between the silver tops and the silver bases. Looking at them, I would venture to say they were originally "glued" into the bases and tops. I wish I had pictures so that you coould really see how they look. And Happy New Year to you and everyone else as well. IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 12-28-2011 11:12 PM
Robert, Now you have to get them so I can see what they Look like.....I'm intrigued!....buy, if you feel it's what is right for you! They sound great! Jersey IP: Logged |
argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 12-28-2011 11:41 PM
From what I have seen items such as these usually have a white cementascous material binding them togeather. If I error someone should feel free to correct me. IP: Logged |
agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 12-30-2011 06:28 AM
Most of the time glass is joined to silver with Gypsum plaster, or Plaster of Paris. It is one of the easier repairs! IP: Logged |
chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 12-30-2011 10:00 AM
That sounds kinda promising. Is it a repair I can do at home or should I try to find someone to do it for me? IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 01-18-2012 11:01 PM
Hi Robert ! Did you get the candleholders? Jersey IP: Logged |
chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 01-19-2012 06:45 PM
Not yet, still debating about them. They are still waiting on me tho - LOL. Robert IP: Logged |
Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 01-20-2012 11:26 PM
Hi Chase.. Get a professional to do the repair.. Cheap and easy. Somewhere between $35 and $75. for the pair. Marc IP: Logged |
agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 01-21-2012 08:58 PM
I think I am with Marc on this even though Plaster of Paris is easy for the most part if it goes wrong it is fairly unforgiving to reverse. IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 01-21-2012 09:59 PM
If you have to think this long about it....? Will another better example come along ..... Your call..... All the best in your quest! Jersey IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 01-21-2012 11:44 PM
May have info late tomorrow for you .... Wait if you can Jersey IP: Logged |
Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 01-22-2012 09:25 AM
Try this. Negotiate a price where the seller is the one who has them professionally repaired to like new condition. If it really is just a quick and cheap fix then the increased price should be minimal. Then buy them. [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 01-22-2012).] IP: Logged |
jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 01-24-2012 07:06 PM
Hi again! A message from a friend regarding your fix it problem. Whoever suggested plaster was barking up the right tree, although I doubt that it would have been Plaster of Paris, which is a very hard plaster which, because it dries very quickly as the result of a strong chemical reaction, produces a good deal of heat as it does so, and forms a very hard surface and body to achieve a strong bond; nor Gypsum Plaster (drywall compound) either, for that matter, which dries very slowly as the water evaporates from the mix, without heating, but it shrinks as it dries, and when dry, although it has a soft body and surface, has a relatively weak bond. I can't say what the "right" plaster compound would be, but I think it would end up being a relatively slow-drying plaster, one that dries with a chemical reaction but doesn't produce a lot of sudden heat, doesn't shrink, and ends up forming a strong bond and a relatively hard surface, but not one so hard that, the next time repairs are necessary, the repair-person would be more likely to break the glass than to break the plaster. If you've ever handled blown glass whale oil lamps (usually attributed, rightly or wrongly, to the Boston & Sandwich Glass Company) you will have seen that there is a brass or occasionally pewter collar that is fixed to the glass, and into which the burner can be screwed. That collar was invariably held onto the glass body (the oil font) of the lamp with a plaster material. That is the plaster you want to use, and I think that if one were to look in enough old artisan's recipe (or receipt) books, one would find the right materials and mix. I suspect it will turn out to be a non-hydraulic lime putty, but that's speculation on my part; I've never researched it. If you are not familiar with an artisan's recipe (or receipt) book it is an 1830 general receipt book....there were many published and many of them can be found online free in a scanned format, but it takes some time to look through them when you are looking for something specific & it then be often difficult to know if the common materials they call for are still commonly available, by that name or any other name.
I hope I got his message down correctly & I Hope his thoughts may prove to be helpful to you. Jersey IP: Logged |
chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 01-24-2012 08:15 PM
Geez and here I thought this topic was dead! How wrong I was! Thanks for everyone's input, tips and suggestions. I will take a few pics this weekend and go from there. Thanks again for all the information. Robert PS If anyone has any other thoughts, please keep posting IP: Logged |
middletom Posts: 467 |
posted 01-26-2012 10:22 PM
Chase33, We put hollow handled knives together with a plastic cement made by the Saureisen company. It holds well but should it break the repair of it and the resticking is not the easiest. I don't know if it sticks to glass but it seems to stick to just about everything else. A good repairer would have something along those lines, I would guess. middletom IP: Logged |
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