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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-08-2013 01:02 PM
At the SSF we do what we can to minimize member's exposure to Internet's trackers, stalkers and privacy thieves. When members post photos or links in a thread/post that reach out to third party sites then your browser can/will leak all kinds of info to the third party. The public is beginning to become aware of just how serious the Internet stalking & Privacy issues are. Most of the current headlines are about the government. BTAIM, I believe the bigger problem is companies, large and small. The government has more laws to abide by and watchdogs keeping an eye out than Corporate America and their marketeers do. And its not just the Internet, please know that discount cards, bonus cards, membership cards, credit cards, etc. are all part of the overall formula. Today more & more stores are figuring out that their profits aren't in the products you buy but rather in selling to others details about what it is you bought. Corporate America and Global Marketeers add this info to the info they have already managed to collect about you and your habits/preferences. This is too large of a topic and is off topic for the SSF. Basically the information collection is done to eliminate free will and to bend people in a direction that serves big business interests. I would encourage members to become more aware of just how fast individual privacy is disappearing both on the Internet and in the real word. To take steps to better protect your privacy. Here is a good video to begin with, See: quote: <edit 4/10/2015> IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 07-09-2013 12:39 PM
Ghostery is a tool recommended by NPR for seeing and blocking trackers. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-09-2013 01:27 PM
I use Ghostery. It helps but it is only one of the small "one off" defensive tools that can't compete against resources of large Corporations and the large criminal networks. Don't misunderstand, I think we all should employ whatever tools available but don't let these tools fool you into a false sense of security. Also when using these tools they can have conflicts with each other and they can break web pages. Re: "false sense of security" These tools are often better about blocking the ads from appearing on the WEB page then actually hiding you and your personal info from the trackers. I don't know of a one size fits all solution. I don't think the Good Guys and Privacy Advocates have the resources to fight the good fight. I don't think things will get better unless everyone shares a unified voice of outrage. So tell businesses that they will get less of your business if they continue to track/data mine you. Tell regulators they must do more to set standards to protect your privacy. And to enforce those standards and to prosecute criminal acts (especially internationally). There are other "free" products ... some good and some not so good. And some of the programs, both "free" and paid, are a wolf in sheep's clothing. If you have something to recommend we would love to heard about it. To Everyone - caveat emptor. Nothing posted here is to be assumed effective and/or safe.
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-11-2013 10:24 AM
Another is Adblock Plus a browser extension available on Firefox. I do use Adblock Plus but I figured out, a long time ago, it is not 100%. It also will break web pages. And recent news has confirmed my early suspicions, See these recent articles:
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 07-12-2013 06:38 AM
I'm trying out Ghostery. It reports this page as having only one tracker which I have blocked. Some pages have as many as 24 so far. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-12-2013 09:29 AM
vathek, Ghostery shouldn't find any trackers at the SSF unless the thread you are looking at has photos that link to a third party site which has tracking. For example, when a thread/post at the SSF has photos hosted on third party site (like: Photobucket) then Ghostery will report a tracker was found. I use Ghostery and on this page there are no third party images therefor Ghostery reports 0 trackers or No trackers. So if your installation of Ghostery is reporting a tracker for this page then something is wrong. I can't provide support for your use of Ghostery but I can offer some off the top of my head suggestions:
Out of curiosity, for this page, what tracker is Ghostery reporting? As of this date, the only images on this page are:
camera-icon.gif camera-ws.gif edit.gif icons/icon1.gif open.gif powered_by2.gif profile.gif quote.gif reply6.jpg smpssf.gif tline.gif tline3.gif topic6.jpg ubbfriendminiicon.gif ubbicon.ico And all are hosted by SMPub.com IP: Logged |
vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 07-14-2013 10:26 AM
As of this reading, it is reporting none. IP: Logged |
chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 07-14-2013 12:13 PM
When I went to install Ghostery from the link in the NPR story, my Norton blocked it saying it was an "Ad CrossID" threat. So is it safe to download? IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-14-2013 12:40 PM
https://www.ghostery.com Symantec instructions for "Ad CrossID" threat removal IP: Logged |
Richard Kurtzman Moderator Posts: 768 |
posted 07-14-2013 03:52 PM
Norton told me not to download also as this was a virus threat. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-15-2013 09:04 AM
chase33 & Richard, In both cases there isn't enough info to begin to speculate as to why. Although I can't provide support, I am sympathetic. Please understand that I can barely manage my own defenses and I am more technical than the average person. I pretty sure it was 1983 the last time there was a techie who knew everything about computing. Seriously, the Trackers, Adware, Virues, Spyware, Malware, and Criminal-ware are no longer the tinkerings of a few but are now well funded big business enterprises. ...... I use Norton AV but the rest of the Norton 360 stuff is not being used because there were too many false positives and distractions caused by it. My Symantec Norton AV doesn't complain (and it is up to date and it is really working) so I will guess you are getting the warning because it is a false positive from Norton 360 or because Norton no longer considers Ghostery a valid app since Ghostery now allows some paid advertisers like Google to bypass Ghostery. Another possibility is that you are infected with Malware/spyware and the Malware/spyware is defending itself. This can happen if the Malware/spyware has been able to install its bad self as a Rootkit. A Rootkit is some program that installs before the operating system and other defenses like AV. By installing before the operating system and other defenses the Rootkit is near impossible to detect. You can find Rootkit removal tools. Even so, most of the Rootkit removal tools are limited to a specific or just a few well known Rootkit infections. There is no universal Rootkit detection and removal tool. There are Rootkits (& regular viruses) that can randomly change their configuration and that makes it very difficult for the Rootkit to be detected. There are also Rootkits (& regular viruses/malware/etc) that when the Rootkit detects they are being removed then they encrypt and hide in your PC. And then they will re-install after the next reboot or some other event. Sometimes it requires a complete reforming of the hard disk and clean new install to get rid of a Rotkit. Another tool to consider to defend against infections and unauthorized PC changes is to use a sandbox. If you are infected a sandbox won't help but if you are uninfected than it will do a lot to keep you uninfected. quote: A free sandbox that I have used with clients and can recommend is Sandboxie IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-16-2013 01:00 PM
Based in the Netherlands is a Search Engine called Startpage. Startpage says they are not subject to government snooping. And according to their privacy statement, no records of user data are kept. Please understand Startpage must know your IP when you connect and then claim not to record or store your IP and geographical location. They don't use tracking cookies. Therefore it is their claim that they have no information to give to anybody or to share, even if they are asked. Startpage claims to act as proxy to the Google and as such Google and their Advertisers don't know that it is you or about what it is you searched because Google only sees the search as coming from Startpage. That is, until you click a search result. Once you click on a search result you pass from Startpage to whatever it is you clicked. Therefore the destination and all the other stuff hidden at the destination will see it is you when you arrive at the destination. Startpage offers a minimal proxy service to mitigate this issue. See the video:Startpage's New Proxy Service! If you connect to Startpage make sure the URL is using a secure encrypted link (https://) like https://startpage.com/ . What this does is encrypts the data-stream between your browser and Startpage. An https connection makes it a lot of work for your ISP to snoop on what it is you are doing at Startpage. One of the first questions I ask myself about any "free" service is how do they make money? Startpage's answer: quote: I wonder if Startpage will channel other search engines like Bing? I wonder why Google lets them connect? I wonder how long before Google figures out how to defeat Startpage? There is lots of other stuff to wonder about but for now Startpage is looking like another good privacy tool. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-17-2013 10:54 AM
Another privacy search engine is DuckDuckGo. DuckDuckGo provides some informative explanations about:
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-17-2013 03:29 PM
I never expected anyone to reply in this thread. My time is limited and it was just meant to be somewhat helpful. If you found the info helpful and would like, from time to time, other suggestions please let me know. If you don't want to post in this thread or can't post to this thread then email me at info@SMPub.com?subject=Internet%20privacy . IP: Logged |
chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 07-17-2013 10:22 PM
Hey Scott I do appreciate what you have posted. I use DuckDuckGo and have for awhile. I am still trying to figure out about the Ghostery and Norton issue. While I understand the need to generate revenue it seems like the internet is becoming way more intrusive than it needs to be. The other day I was on the Sferra and Container Store websites and after that it seemed like every page I went to had an ad for both companies. If the only way they know to "advertise" to me is after I visit the website, that seems kinda backwards. It drives me to distraction. I remeber when the "loyalty cards" are grocery stores was picking up in popularity, someone had come up with a fake name and info that was posted and passed around so that this fake person was registered at just about every store and really messed up the companies stats on who was buying what! I wish I could remember that name now. Thanks again! IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-18-2013 12:14 AM
That only worked for those who used cash. The stores soon figured out that they could distinguish & track the buyer's purchases by linking the discount card to the various credit cards. So a man with the "loyalty card for John Doe" using CC1 and woman with the same "loyalty card for John Doe" and CC2 may to the average observer seemed like they are unrelated. But not to trackers, they use algorithms that tell them that CC1 & CC2 bill to the same address therefore this shows that the man & woman are in the same household for tracking purposes. This example is simplistic; the algorithms they actually employ are much complex and sophisticated and can reveal much more. Soon it won't matter if you pay cash or credit because they will be using facial and/or voice recognition at checkout to ID you and to link your purchases to your history. In the news this week, was a story about a chain store that uses your cell phone signal to monitor where in the store you go and how long you spend in a particular isle/location. And if you have an "app" of some sort, say a comparison shopping app, it is pretty certain that app will tie into what the store is doing to physically track you. Most apps can run unseen by the "smartphone" owner. So if the "smartphone" is on and getting a signal then it is fairly certain that the apps are sharing info about you the "smartphone" owner, where you are, what you might be doing and then they get busy with those complex & sophisticated algorithms to update/refine what it is they know about you/your household/your family and even your employer. Today big business uses convenience and modern "smart" tech to do what they can to control the masses, one person, one household, one community,..... etc., at a time. Everyday "smart" tech gets more powerful and more & more people love their "smart" tech....and yet no one seems to notice that in mass everyone is getting more stupid. Sorry for the ramblings ... I suppose I had too much wine at dinner.... was it good wine? I'll check with the trackers... it wouldn't surprise me if they knew which wine I drank.... IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-24-2013 10:29 AM
I haven't used this (yet) but there is another tool that is getting some good press, Maskme. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-29-2013 02:21 PM
It may be a little basic.... I just came across this list: quote: IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 08-05-2013 11:52 AM
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 08-06-2013 06:57 AM
The more I find out about this - well, not a good thing. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 09-01-2013 01:53 PM
The Wall Street Journal just had an article IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 09-29-2013 11:05 AM
If you haven't heard of Mixpanel.... read below. If you want help defeating Mixpanel's ability to track exactly what you do, then consider using DoNotTrackMe Mixpanel offers an 'Opt out' but this only limits some of the Mixpanel tracking. And it only works if Mixpanel actually respects their 'Opt out' cookie and you don't delete the 'Opt out' cookie. But the 'Opt out' is not a cure because they are still using more advance techniques to individually ID and track you regardless of what they do/don't do with cookies. quote: IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-18-2014 09:48 AM
If you have a smart phone and want to turn off Google's cookies/DART cookies consider the following "how to" provided by this Google Policies & Principles page (Overview>Technologies>Advertising).
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 06-07-2014 10:15 AM
A little while ago our ISP stopped offering Urchin for web site analytic's. Since looking at the stats is more a curiosity/info thing for us we weren't quick to investigate the stats program they now offer called Analytics. About a week ago we turned Analytics on. Yesterday we noticed that Ghostery was indicating a tracker at SMPub.com. At first we thought it might be from a third party hosted image. Deeper inspection revealed it originated with our ISP and routed to a third party (Aplus Analytics owned by Deluxe Corporation). We might have made the leap of faith that the info collected was to only to service us but we see that Aplus Analytics is sharing the data with others. Not knowing exactly what info they are collecting and sharing or whether all the info being collected is non-personnelly identifiable... we felt the need to shut it down. So we have turned off (for now) the ISP provided Analytics. As such, we will no longer know our hit counts, etc. in a aggregate fashion unless we find a way to utilize the server logs (unlikely). IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 02-06-2015 10:38 AM
Most free sites are not free! The "free" sites use the data plan you are paying for to send unrequested/undesired data/background apps to you. The Internet sites like Facebook, Photo sharing sites, search sites, etc. are getting sneaker so you will most likely not notice just how massive their unrequested/undesired data/background apps abuse is. Not noticing can cost you real money. For example: You may be looking at a photo which isn't too big (55k), but the web site serving it up has a lot background programs being quietly downloaded in the background and run (i.e., spyware, data mining, back ground site management apps, etc. etc.). These background tasks can and often do use many megs of your data plan even though what you are looking at is only 55k of your data plan. But when the bill comes in, that 55k photo view costs you 8-10+ megs on your plan. On the internet, there are fewer and fewer truly free sites. SMP and the Silver Salon Forums are one of the few sites that are not spying on you, nor are we running background tasks that use up your data plan. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 02-12-2015 09:19 AM
The buzz about the ad blocking extension called µBlock is pretty good. I am trying it out and so far so good. If you have used or are a user of uBlock let us know what you think? There are also some tests. Before installing uBlock I ran the test with only ABP & Ghostery installed. ABP & Ghostery failed some of the tests. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 04-10-2015 08:41 AM
TrackMeNot does things very differently ... the idea is not to hide but rather to use noise and obfuscation to mislead the trackers... sort of hiding in plain sight. The tool is new and early in development but so far the buzz has been good. It is an add on to Firefox & Chrome. TrackMeNot Let me know what you think. quote: IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 09-07-2015 10:24 AM
Here is another privacy tool Epic Privacy Browser. Because it uses a proxy server (among other things) to mask your IP it can appear a little slow to load a page. I suspect as their business model takes hold this will improve (because they will be able to afford more efficient proxy servers) . I tried Epic Privacy Browser with the SSF and it worked just fine. It gets high reviews from c/net and PC Mag. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 10-10-2015 01:43 PM
If you find this thread insightful/helpful then you may find this news story found on phys.org (and elsewhere on the WEB) interesting. quote: For scientist minded ... the full technical paper is here in PDF. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 10-17-2015 09:55 AM
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 12-31-2015 11:48 AM
If you use chrome and AVG then you should read this: Google slams AVG for exposing Chrome user data with “security” plugin AVG AntiVirus "force-installed" Chrome plugin that left browsing data vulnerable. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-04-2016 03:22 PM
Tricky new malware replaces your entire browser with a dangerous Chrome lookalike IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-04-2016 03:42 PM
If you are familiar with Network Time Protocol(NTP) particularity when used on a network/server, then the following might be of interest. It is likely too technical for most.... NTP is one of the most ubiquitous computer protocols and has been in use for decades. When most users think NTP they are thinking about setting a correct time on their computer by syncing with an atomic clock. NTP is making it possible for hackers to perform man-in-the-middle attacks .... The following paper is very technical Attacking the Network Time Protocol IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-04-2016 04:55 PM
You Can Find Out Exactly What Google Knows About You IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 09-01-2016 11:41 AM
Drop Box users will want to be aware of the following. In short, the 2012 hack of Dropbox did include passwords and other confidential data. IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 09-01-2016 08:40 PM
The internet really does have a downside. I am reading a book now by Eric Larson entitled In the Garden of Beasts. Much of the source material came from written diaries that were kept by the people discussed in the book. Handwritten documents are probably the easiest to authenticate. I know that emails and things on the internet last forever, but how will one authenticate that they have not been compromised. I suspect that task may be impossible. [This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 09-01-2016).] IP: Logged |
agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 09-01-2016 11:04 PM
ahwt, In the Garden of the Beasts was a fascinating read! It was interesting to read it just as the election was gearing up last year... IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 09-02-2016 07:11 AM
Erik Larson is a great researcher and said that he does all his own research as that is the fun part. He is going to be the speaker at the fall fundraiser for our local library. Talking about those that are great researchers I am continually amazed at the three latest books by Catherine Holland. Virginia Silversmiths, Philadelphia Silversmiths and Eagle Marks on American Silver are amazing books that are a joy to have. [This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 09-02-2016).] IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-26-2017 11:24 AM
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 03-13-2019 11:19 AM
https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/13/google-has-quietly-added-duckduckgo-as-a-search-engine-option-for-chrome-users-in-60-markets/?yptr=yahoo If I understand this correctly Google has set up DuckGo Duck as one of their default search engines on equipment they sell. Does anyone have experience with this search engine? IP: Logged |
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