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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 06-16-2009 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[26-1862]

I searched my spoons and found a few twisted.

These are 3 different patterns. All of them Danish 3 different silversmiths - around 1800/1900.

They are coffee spoons?

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 06-16-2009 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Search continued and I found these 6.



these 6 are identical and a set. 4 of these holds the "prik gravering" D 25/10 06 we must assume that they where given as a wedding present? on October 25th 1906. The last 2 contains the prik gravering in 3 lines:
"Fra
P. K. Jensen & Hustru
Stragaard"

From P.K. Jensen & wife (and then location)Stragaard.

We have an example - the donator gives data on 4 of the spoons and reserves 2 for telling who gave the present.

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Elisabeth7291

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iconnumber posted 06-16-2009 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elisabeth7291     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing - help enlighten me w/ my collection. There a lot of these 'twisted spoons' - obviously a very popular item.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 06-16-2009 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
decorations varies - yours have deep cut engraved mine have patern pressed onto the silver. but still same family.

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 06-16-2009 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My question about the pointed engravings is:
Is this kind of engraving done by the one's who gave the silver presents. Or was it a job for a local silversmith and I think cheaper than to engrave letters and figures.
At one of my spoons there is also a worse decoration pointed.(early 19th century piece). Is this point engraving also done in the 18th century and even earlier than that? Nice coffee spoons by the way!

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 06-16-2009 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Silverhunter

Customs will vary between countries but here is an English example of a pricked engraving.

In England pricked inscriptions were common throughout the 17th century and the first half of the 18th century but less usual thereafter. They would have been done by the person who sold the spoon who may or may not also have been the maker, or by the local silversmith when a new inscription was added to an old spoon (which happened quite often when spoons were inherited or sold second hand). I imagine pricking was easier and required less training than other forms of engraving.

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silverhunter

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Agphile,

Thanks you very much for the good information that you gave and the beautiful sharp photo of your very old spoon, great to see the one!

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2009 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to make a photo of the twisted spoon I just bought today. A dutch one and I have to check the silversmith and year it was made. Photo will follow soon. It should be nice if other members also will show an example made in their own countrie so we can see differences of styles, engraving, patterns it should be nice.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2009 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This style of spoon with the twisted handle was made all over the world. Here is one of my favorite spoons in my collection that was made by the Fessenden company in the U.S. in the 1800s.


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bascall

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2009 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are by Whiting and measure about five and a half inches in length. Forks and not spoons of course and a relatively common variety.

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2009 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just made a photo of the one and it is a pickle fork (my first one)a dutch type, made in 1898.

Silversmith unknown to me P.C.B, with a star.

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2009 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Andre, you asked to see more examples of twisted stems. Here is my contribution. The pictures may not be very good. I have dug them out of my files rather than take new ones.

The Romans were quite fond of twisted stems. Here are a couple of examples, probably from around the 3rd century AD.

After the Romans left Britain we had to wait until the Rococo to see twisted stems reappear, mostly on small pieces such as this pair of salt spoons and cream ladle from around 1760.

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agphile

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To continue from my previous post, we get occasional examples of 18th century teaspoons with twisted stems.

Some 18th century forms were revived in the 19th century. The salt spoon on the left below is unmarked but probably dates from around 1760. The one on the right was made in Birmingham in 1849.

I can’t offer much to match the later examples that you and others have shown. I haven’t collected much in the way of 19th century silver, but I am rather fond of this very provincial looking spoon and fork from the Cape of Good Hope, by , Jan Beyleveld, Cape Town, circa 1820.


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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2009 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's more than expected Agphile, certain the age it has. I didn't saw any roman spoons before so your collection is wonderful and good that you work with archivated photo's. The salt spoons are also old one's so I use the words: it's good to see your museum pieces, thanks you very much for showing them.
Also thanks to Kimo and Bascall, wonderfull pieces!
I didn't start this topic, so I'm in the waiting room, hoping to see more reactions with twisted steles or twisted silver jewelry like Viking bracelets or so. I'm curious and hopefull.

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2009 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1860s Wm. Gale & Son Ladle:

Mid 20th century "Hand Made Sterling" ladle:

1890s anonymous souvenir demitasse spoons, (1)applied shell decoration, (2)enamel roses, (3)sheet silver ribbon bow, (4)mixed metal Indian head:

Demitasse souvenir spoons, (1)1890s Howard "Arminius" head, twist is die stamped, (2)1890s Campbell-Metcalf floral, (3)1890s Finck "Jersey Skeeter" w/cattail, (4)mid 20th c. Bell Trading Post "Hoss" hat:

And a truly twisty early 20th c. engraved Norwegian sugar spoon by Alfred Gjerstrom:

~Cheryl

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Elisabeth7291

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Cheryl - These are wonderful; thanks for sharing. Love this last piece in particular! E

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2009 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Copenhagen around 1900

Mark M&TB for Madsen & T. Baagøes Elektroplet- og Nysølvvarefabrik established 1874.

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