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witzhall

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2006 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for witzhall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so happy to have found this site! You are a group of such knowledgeable and generous people.

I'm hoping that someone can tell me if there is a reference book that focuses in particular on the history of early American spoons. As a pretty new collector, I am trying to build my library along with my spoons; I have some basic reference books but am hoping somebody has written something more specialized. Thank you!

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doc

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2006 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you give us a little more information about what you are looking for? How early is early? What level of detail do you want to get into? Do you want information on makers or styles or pricing?

There are a number of good books out there, so it depends on what you are looking for.

For example, there's a marvelous little book by Don Fennimore focusing on early American "bird back" spoons. There's also a book called Sterling Silver, Silverplate and Souvenir Spoons (author unknown) that came out in the mid-1990's, but that may covers more Victorian forward, so that may not be early enough for you. If you can let us know a little bit more, I am sure you will get some great recommendations.

Welcome to the Forum and to silver spoon collecting! There are a number of us on the Forum who are diehard spoon collectors. (I myself have tried to kick the habit a couple of times, but I keep going back!)

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witzhall

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2006 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for witzhall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, doc - You're right; my question was way too broad! It has taken me a while to narrow down my interest, though I have now done; so I'll give it another shot. What I'm trying to collect (and learn about) is American silver spoons made before 1800 in the area where my family has lived - i.e., New England. I hope to learn about the development of the form particularly, as I have books about makers (also have Don Fennimore's wonderful little book). I'd like to understand, for instance, why it is that there are so relatively many spoons and so few of any other flatware pieces from that period. And how much the development was influenced by English and continental styles or by the availability of silver - all that stuff! I haven't tried to kick the habit yet, but I'm guessing that silver might give nicotine a run for its money!

Thanks . . .

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hello

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2006 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hello     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
read: alyn carr's easy way to quit smoking, gives smoking an actual run for the money

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Tad Hale

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2006 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tad Hale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try "The Spoon Primer" by Everett Crosby and Flynt and Fales book on the "Heritage Foundation Collection of Silver".

Tad

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witzhall

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2006 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for witzhall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, hello - I did manage to get rid of the nicotine thing, and I'm wondering if this new obsession isn't really more addicctive!

Tad, I do rely on the Fales Heritage Foundation book (see my suggestions, just posted, for my top ten beginner books); it is great for biographies but not long on forms. Perhaps you mean her book Early American Silver for the Cautious Collector, which does explore briefly the development of different forms. I'm hoping, though, that someone will have done a much more intensive research project - a master's or doctoral dissertation, for instance. Do you know of such a work?

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2006 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Information about Spoons

back issues of The Finial

Above are a couple of web sites that provide interesting information about spoons. Also Martha Gandy Fales has another book, "American Silver in the Henry Francis DuPont Winterthur Museum" that has an informative section on spoons.

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Tad Hale

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2006 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tad Hale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Witzhall, I have been collecting books on American Silver for 25 years and I have basically come to the conclusion that you find some information from each book. There are several books that show different styles and approximate years of hand wrought silver.

Louise Belden's book has an illustrated glossary on spoon styles and forms, but her book is rather expensive($600-$900). Graham Hood's book " American Silver" a History of Style 1650-1900, is easily obtainable and can be bought in the $10-30 range. As far as dissertations go, there are some photocopies available on the market but they always say that the photos when copied are terrible and these dissertations are still at the colleges.

I think in the end you will find out that most spoons were from the Boston, New York and Philadelphia area because these were the most populated and the best financial districts in America at that time.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2006 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tad is right on the point that information about spoons turns up in various books. The publication “Albany Silver 1652-1825” by Norman S. Rice has an informative section on funeral spoons as does the “Albany Institute of History and Art – 200 Years of Collecting’ edited by Tammis K. Groft and Mary Alice Mackay. I do not know how widespread the practice was of giving spoons to funeral participants in New York was, but one was documented as early as 1637. Spoons were given to Dominie Everardus Bogardus (1607-1647), who presided at the funeral Hendrick De Forest, the founder of Harlem, on July 27, 1637. The Albany Institute of Art, 125 Washington Ave., Albany, NY 12210 can provide more information.

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 03-10-2006 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
I'd like to understand, for instance, why it is that there are so relatively many spoons and so few of any other flatware pieces from that period.
Now there is a question that has not come up very often in these forums. I suspect the answer lies partly in the English heritage of many of the colonists and their descendants. Forks and knives were in use on the Continent long before they were introduced into England, where people were still eating with their fingers. Spoons have a long tradition - longer than other utensils - probably because they hold liquids better than bare hands. Aside from the practical uses they also had significance as gifts, souvenirs, and remembrances.

When forks and knives did gain popularity, they were commonly made of harder materials than silver - iron or steel, with handles of wood, bone, or ivory. In England, they were later often close plated (silver on iron or steel, in a manner not unlike Sheffield plate), and knive blades were often set in close plated hollow handles. These types had hard use, were not particularly valued, and did not survive in such great numbers as silver spoons, which were often not used in daily service. Silver forks, when silver services were used, wore down or broke their tines, and did not last as long as the spoons.

The fact that there were fewer silver forks in the Colonies (and the Early Republic) than in Englsnd, relative to the number of spoons, may also reflect the economic condition of the classes -- It seems everybody aspired to own some silver, either for status or safekeeping of whatever wealth they had (marked and engraved silver could be traced when stolen, whereas money could not) but relatively few could afford more than a few spoons.

I expect that this little pontification on the social history of flatware will spark considerable discussion from people more knowledgeable of the subject, and perhaps not a little controversy (it is called "seeding the forum"), but the quick and short answer is that there are more spoons because there were more spoons, for whatever reason.

[This message has been edited by swarter (edited 03-10-2006).]

I started the above in a new tread The socialization of spoons

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witzhall

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iconnumber posted 03-10-2006 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for witzhall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many, many thanks to all for your thoughtful and helpful responses. Swarter, thanks particularly to you; your take on my question is exactly what I've been looking for, and I will be eager to see the results of your "seeding" in the General forum.

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IJP

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iconnumber posted 03-10-2006 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IJP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
swarter's comments on the scarcity of certain flatware in the American colonies as compared to spoons, makes me think of something I read in Bill Bryson's book Made in America. I don't recall the exact message, but I'll paraphrase what I can:

Although swarter tells us that forks and knives were both scarce in the colonies, evidently knives were more common than forks, which did not appear until much later. The colonists had developed a habit of eating with their knives (and perhaps spoons) alone, held naturally in their right hand. When forks did appear, the hapless Americans did not know what to do about it, having grown accustomed to carrying their food to their mouths with a right-hand utensil. Hence, the American custom of cutting portions of food with their knife in right hand and fork in left, then switching their fork to right hand. Americans are unique in doing this, from what I understand.

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outwest

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Being left handed I never switch my fork from my left to my right. I never really thought about that. I will have to spy on my family at dinner tomorrow to see what they actually do. I'm the only lefty.[I hate butter knives]

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witzhall

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2006 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for witzhall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope the folks who have responded to the new/continued thread on the General Forum will know how appreciative I am of what they're contributing to my understanding and knowledge about spoons. I too wish I could get to Newark . . . The more I learn, the more excited (and obsessed) I get! Thanks.

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doc

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2006 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was looking through my books, and found a good reference book on the technique of Colonial silver makers. The book is called The Colonial Silversmith: His Techniques and His Products, by Henry J. Kauffman.

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