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Richard Kurtzman Moderator Posts: 768 |
posted 06-28-2011 02:38 PM
  
Here is a piece with an interesting set of marks. The marks are: UDALL & BALLOU Any thoughts as to who made this centerpiece would be most appreciated. I have an idea, but I would be curious to see what everyone else thinks. (My camera is in rehab so these photos were taken with a phone and I apologize for their poor quality.) IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 06-28-2011 03:43 PM
High end New York jewelers and retailers Herbert Ralph Ballou and his brother-in-law Franklin O. Udall Founded in 1888, the firm had branch stores in Palm Beach, Newport, and Paris. Continued, under various later owners, until the mid 1940s. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 06-28-2011 04:17 PM
Ignore the name and look at the mark.  & a  IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 06-28-2011 04:45 PM
I did and presume from your comment that I should have said "Tiffany." The picture is too murky to see an overstrike, which would settle it. On the other hand, Udall & Ballou had its own manufacturing works and made goods under contract, so maybe this made for T and then held back? U & B had no reason (given their reputation and prosperity) to bother passing off another firm's goods in a duplicitous manner. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 06-28-2011 04:56 PM
For those that like to know full names, Francis' middle name was Oliver. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 06-28-2011).] IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 06-28-2011 06:45 PM
I can't see the mark any better than you. So lets ask Richard what he thinks. I suspect that the Tiffany makers dyes would have been controlled by Tiffany and applied at Tiffany. My gut (which is often wrong) suggests that UDALL & BALLOU may have have gotten the item back from a retail customer. IP: Logged |
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Richard Kurtzman Moderator Posts: 768 |
posted 06-28-2011 06:56 PM
wev, Do you know where Udall & Ballou's silver factory was located? IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 06-28-2011 07:35 PM
I have notes around here somewhere; just where is the question. Their shop was at 499 5th Avenue, but I remember something about a manufacturing facility in Brooklyn? IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 06-28-2011 07:53 PM
At the time of Frank O Udall's death which occurred on June 1, 1952 in White Plains, New York, he was said to have retired from the firm of Udall & Ballou in 1925. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 06-28-2011).] IP: Logged |
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Richard Kurtzman Moderator Posts: 768 |
posted 07-30-2011 01:07 PM
I feel pretty strongly that these are Tiffany marks. It's hard to tell from looking at it, but I believe that Udall & Ballou overstruck Tiffany & Co. with their own mark and then retailed it. How Udall & Ballou came by this piece is open to conjecture. (A customer traded it to them for another piece?) There is plenty of evidence that Udall & Ballou made their own jewelry but I can find nothing showing that they made silver. (If anyone has anything to contradict me on this please let me know.) Below is a page from a Christie's catalog showing a later made piece, circa 1910, manufactured by Tiffany with Tiffany marks. In addition it is also marked Udall & Ballou. This time it appears that they left the Tiffany & Co. alone and just added their mark. Both of these pieces are highly unusual as it is extremely rare to find another company's name on a Tiffany made piece. IP: Logged |
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