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Sgt Silver

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2011 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sgt Silver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In 1995 Beverly Breamer, an Atlanta silver dealer, was offering very attractive and nicely produced reproductions of Gorham's Chantilly catalogues from 1895, 2004 and 1914. The 1895 catalogue shows pieces with what has been called 'decorated shoulders', where many of the pieces have a decoration around the top of the bowl.

Chantilly has 1895 as its patent date, and because the 2004 catalogue does not show pieces with the decorated shoulders, it suggests that the decoration was dropped for a less-costly method of production.

Here we have two oyster forks. On the left is the decorated shoulders style, while the one on the right is relatively plain.
However, the plain piece (right one), which was struck on a different blank, is in fact a nicer piece, and is probably an earlier strike.
  • The strike is deeper, and there is notably better detail
  • the stem is slightly thicker
  • the detail at the maker's mark is deeper; note the period after 'Pat.'
  • finally, on my ancient English postal scale, the plainer one (right one) is heavier.

Oyster forks from later production have tines that are not flat, but slightly rounded on the tops and bottoms, as shown in the 1914 catalogue.



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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2011 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have handled quite a bit of Chantilly (mostly older) over the years, and might just be my perception - but that right hand fork just looks off to me. Won't even pretend to be familiar with all the seemingly endless number of pieces available in Chantilly, but did have a set of seafood forks with the wider cutting tine, and am 99.9% sure that the little dropped lily motif fell directly above the center tine (as it should, aesthetically). Suspect the piece on the right has been modified, perhaps from a spoon - the "shoulders" also seem a bit narrow to my eye, but maybe it's just the angle of the shot.

~Cheryl

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 08-20-2011 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dragonflywink

I did the photography for Sgt Silver ( eek not my best). To me, the one on the right was not modified and it was the better strike.

If I was looking for something more fancy looking then I would select the one on the left. But I like best quality, so I would pick the one on the right. Also the one on the right just feels like its older.

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2011 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Scott - you've handled the pieces, so surely have a different perspective, but the working end of that fork just does not look right to me at all - certainly no reflection on the age of the handle though.

~Cheryl

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