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tom unregistered	posted 05-26-2003 05:12 PM [01-1089] Hi, Would appreciate any help in identifying this pattern, it is from a pie knife and is marked Patt. applied for. Sterling. Thanks, Tom IP: Logged
Brent Posts: 1507 Registered: May 99	posted 05-26-2003 08:05 PM Hi, The pattern is called HONEYSUCKLE, or at least it was when it was produced by Whiting. Whiting actually had two patterns called HONEYSUCKLE; this one, and a later pattern that looks a lot like their JAPANESE, minus the birds. In the trade, your pattern would by called OLD HONEYSUCKLE to distinguish it from the other. Whiting did manufacture a number of patterns originally produced by people like Henry Hebbard, and in fact obtained patents on patterns that had been in production by others for some time. I'm not sure about this one, but I would not be surprised if this was originally someone else's pattern. A lot of the early flatware produced by Whiting does not bear their trademark. I even have a few pieces by Whiting that are not marked at all. I think it would be safe to say that your piece is a Whiting product; the marks you describe sound like what I would expect to see. Can you show us a picture of the marks, just to be sure? Brent [This message has been edited by Brent (edited 05-26-2003).] IP: Logged
tom unregistered	posted 05-27-2003 12:05 AM Hi Brent, Thanks, I really appreciate the info, here's a photo of the mark. Regards, Tom IP: Logged
WGS Posts: 136 Registered: Oct 99	posted 05-27-2003 11:28 AM It's interesting that my copy of the JC-K Sterling Flatware Pattern Index of 1988 displays a distinctly different pattern identified as Honeysuckle (1870) from the Whiting Division of Gorham. similarly for my 1993 revison of Dolan. I do see a later pattern called Japanese by Whiting Division, so it seems that Brent is not talking of Frank W. Whiting & Co. Has there been a correction in sources more recent than mine? ------------------ IP: Logged
Brent Posts: 1507 Registered: May 99	posted 05-27-2003 03:22 PM If you have access to a copy of Turner's "American Silver Flatware" book, you can see the two Honeysuckle patterns side by side in the illustration of Whiting patterns. I believe the old pattern is just uncommon enough to have been excluded from Dolan and the Jeweler's Keystone. As for Tom's piece, the mark does look like early Whiting. As a general rule, on early Whiting pieces they seem to have placed the Patent and Sterling stamps one over the other and to roughly conform to the edges of the stem. The result is that the two stamps are at an angle to one another, as seen here. I'm not sure it holds true for everything, but I have seen it often enough to use as a decent authenticator. Brent IP: Logged
Brent Posts: 1507 Registered: May 99	posted 07-25-2003 08:20 AM Hello all, Trefid sends along this nice group of additional pieces in the Old Honeysuckle pattern. She agrees that the pattern likely was produced by someone else prior to Whiting, although all of the marked pieces she has seen seem to be by Whiting. Brent IP: Logged
bascall Posts: 1629 Registered: Nov 99	posted 06-13-2011 04:27 PM This pattern which is known as Old Honeysuckle was patended and assigned to Whiting...by Frederick Whitehouse on 23 February 1869, Design No. 3,391. IP: Logged

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