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ANGLINA Posts: 9 |
posted 04-15-2002 03:37 AM
  
[01-0942] Help! I have a Rogers, Smith & Co. Wall plate. I need to know if it possibly desirable to collectors. Its two pieces the outer ring is marked with the above plus Meriden Ct. Quadruple 9904.it has a red hue to it not like a tarnished piece though just kinda pretty red. It has a ribbed pattern the center piece is attached to it with 3 nut and bolt type fasteners its a raised design of two very detailed birds amongst branches it looks like pewter but I don't think that's the metal. Its perfect piece it also has a wire with oval rings attached to the back for hanging on the wall. Thanks for any advice on value of piece. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 04-15-2002 08:56 AM
Now, you'd have to show me a picture here, but it sounds like you have a snazzy piece of Japanesque mixed metalwork. The red color you indicate--assuming it's intentional--could be a patination on copper, which was popular in the 1880s and is very collected today. The applied ornaments would be either silver plated or sterling--but more likely plated given the maker. Style and condition are what make this sort of thing more or less desirable, and just from the description it sounds very interesting. IP: Logged |
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ANGLINA Posts: 9 |
posted 04-15-2002 09:07 AM
Thanks for your quick response. I will send a picture. But can you tell me what the date might be on this piece. Also if the items they made are desirable to collectors. This piece is in such impeccable condition. It weighs at least 2 pounds. The center design is heavy. The red color is not paint or tarnished. Its like in the metal its like a tomato red with great patina. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 04-15-2002 09:31 AM
This piece is most likely from 1880-1890, and parallels the patinated copper pieces with silver appliques that Gorham was doing at the same period. The patinated copper should have exactly the color you suggest--a sort of tomato red. It seems to me that this is just the sort of thing that is most desirable to collectors--not so much of silver, but of Japanesque decorative things, which were much in vogue as part of the wave of Aesthetic Movement taste in the 1880s. Can you get us a picture? Scott Martin can usually help figure out how to incorporate it. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 04-17-2002 09:17 AM
Here are the photos:   IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 04-17-2002 09:35 AM
Hubba hubba! That is a fabulous object. I can't imagine that japanism collectors everywhere won't freak out over it. It's not subtle, in the way some Gorham pieces are; but it is very glamorous, and as you say, in very good condition. Any aesthetic movement buffs out there want to comment? IP: Logged |
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June Martin Forum Master Posts: 1326 |
posted 04-17-2002 10:08 AM
Ditto! Ditto! On the Hubba hubba!  IP: Logged |
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ANGLINA Posts: 9 |
posted 04-17-2002 02:31 PM
quote: Thanks Do you know of any books out I can buy that might help me with a value? Thanks Angie IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 04-18-2002 09:00 AM
Frankly, I think most price guides are not hugely valuable, because unusual objects cannot be gauged by standardized valuation. The Kovels' price guides are the only ones I know of, but I don't use them. Any other suggestions out there? IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 04-18-2002 10:09 AM
I have found completed auctions on ebay to be an option for evaluating certain items. I recently had a well respected dealer say that she is thinking on the lines of "Value according to Ebay"! Interesting what an effect this new media is having on the world of antiques. I too agree that this decorative plaque is marketable. It has appeal on so many levels. As a metalsmith I would love to find an easier way to color copper that glorious red that the Japanese were and are so good at. The chemical compounds are sometimes toxic and I stay away from stuff that could potentially kill me. IP: Logged |
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ANGLINA Posts: 9 |
posted 04-18-2002 05:44 PM
quote: are you saying my wall plate is dangerous to handle as a finished product or when making the plate its dangerous for you the metalsmith. Thank Angie.... [This message has been edited by ANGLINA (edited 04-18-2002).] IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 04-18-2002 07:35 PM
No need for alarm, your plate is perfectly safe to handle.... I was saying that the chemicals used to make the solution can be toxic if not properly used in ventilated areas. The ingredients of the solution (called Rokusho) is somewhat a mystery to us in the west. It has been analyze in a lab. We know it is a copper carbonate compound with a number of other chemicals in it and the metal is suspended in a boiling solution to produce this rich color. Fear not! Your plate is a delight and is of no danger to anyone. IP: Logged |
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ANGLINA Posts: 9 |
posted 04-18-2002 08:28 PM
I want to thank everyone who took the time to help me with my wall plate. This is a wonderful site . Thanks anglina IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 04-18-2002 09:10 PM
I collect Aesthetic pieces and the wall plate really is a neat item! Especially that fine red color on the copper. Some of the American plating firms could put out odd and unusual items that were just as nice as Gorham, etc. pieces. I think I have a crumber and tray set by Derby with a neat Aesthetic design...I'll see if I can't dig it out and get a photo posted. IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 04-18-2002 11:03 PM
What Paul was saying reminds that there was a firm that specialized in a Red copper color against silverhighlights. Someone will have to help me out with the firm name... I think it is something like "LaPiere". I have seen several items on Ebay by this firm. I know nothing about this firm. Anyone know who they are? IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 04-19-2002 12:02 AM
Fred, there was a LaPierre Co. I have seen several of their small items (boxes, etc.) having a red copper base with applied silver work, such as a flower missing a petal, with that petal located elsewhere on the surface of the piece, as if it fell off and is drifting in the wind. I think these pieces tend to be later than the Aesthetic period--they are more Art Nouveau in style. LaPierre also made more typical silver wares--their production was probably along similar lines as Kerr and Unger--novelties, jewelry, etc. [This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 04-19-2002).] IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 04-19-2002 09:44 AM
Paul, Do any of the LaPierre items have "bugs" on them?  IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 05-08-2002 03:07 PM
Unfortunately, I haven't seen any LaPierre items with bugs. IP: Logged |
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