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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 10-04-2007 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ulysses,

I think this may have been asked before ...... Last night over dinner I couldn't recall.

The circumstance: Someone purchases something at an antique or flea market (proper receipts, etc) and after some research it turns out to be very museum desirable. So the buyer finds a proper institution (one who really wants it) to gift the item to and the donor gets the tax benefits. Some years later, once on exhibit, it then turns out that the item may have been stolen some thirty years ago. What happens? Is there a statute of limitations or other protections for the sincerely innocent parties?

At the SSF, I know we have several lurking curators..... maybe they will join this discussion and tell us their thoughts and experiences in such circumstances as well?

Thanks.

On the flip side (sort of). The same circumstance as above, but instead of stolen, the item was poorly identified by an executor (and/or appraiser) of an estate..... Now that the item has surfaced, the family is once again laying claim (suing the executor/appraiser and trying to recover the item).

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iconnumber posted 10-04-2007 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will start this out with the usual lawyer's caveat this this is not legal advice!

It is a general principle that a purchaser (or recipient of a donation) only receives the same title to the item that the prior owner held. Thus, when an item is stolen and then sold, from the point it is sold, that purchaser, and any subsequent purchaser or recipient, does not hold "good title" to the item, and it is subject to conveyance back to the rightful owner. This would apply equally to the scenario involving the estate, since the conveyance of the property was done through probate and if it was not conveyed to the proper designee owner, the person who possessed it and conveyed it did not have good title.

As a more practical matter, the establishment of theft may be difficult, and may be affected by where the theft took place and whether there is still a statute of limitations in effect, as state laws differ in the length and triggering point for the statute of limitations. In New York, the statute of limitations for someone bringing an action for return of stolen property (known as replevin) is 3 years, but that 3 year period is triggered at the moment that the person asks for the return of the stolen item and it is refused. In other states, it may be a straight period of years (i.e. in Massachusetts, it is 6 years), and in others, there may be a triggering point of when the theft was discovered or "should have reasonably been discovered", which leads to additional questions and challenges.

Depending on the item, there may also be federal statutes or international laws that trigger additional issues. These items include things such as Columbian artifacts or even stuffed migratory birds under glass (a long story!).

I have had personal experience with this in a strange way. I had once admired a necklace in a shop where I was friends with the owner, but could not afford it. Over a year later, I was walking past a second hand store and saw a necklace in the window that I thought looked remarkably familiar. The shop owner told me that someone had brought it in and had said it had belonged to his grandfather, who had brought it from China. The price was even higher, so I walked away, but I was pretty sure it was the same necklace.

I went back to my friend the shopkeeper, and being my nosy self, I asked him whether he remembered this particular necklace, and as I did he turned very pale! It had been stolen from his shop not long after I had tried it on. I told him where it was, and he called the police. They seized it and because they had been able to identify the thief (he had come back a second time and the owner had caught him), it was used to extend the thief's current stay in jail.

The happy ending to the story was that I ended up with the necklace! Once it was returned from the police to the store owner, he offered to sell it to me for his cost. I am farily comfortable that I have good title to the piece!

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Kayvee

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iconnumber posted 10-04-2007 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kayvee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although I don't have a legal background, I'd like to add a few comments to this very complex question. The answer depends a lot on where and from whom the item was purchased. In France, for example, an individual who unknowingly buys stolen property from a licensed antiques dealer or an auctioneer must be compensated for the price of his purchase by the auctioneer or dealer when discovery of the stolen property is made. My understanding is that in the U.S. the purchaser can be out of pocket if his purchase turns out to have been stolen. Also as doc says in terms of statute of limitations, it all depends on the circumstances and jurisdiction of the theft. Take for example art that was stolen or seized from individuals in the Nazi era and later resurfaced in museum or private collections, and art that was plundered or collected from certain countries or tribes in colonial times or during wars, such as First Nation artifacts, the Elgin Marbles, Etruscan bronzes, etc. A Getty Museum curator is currently on trial in Italy on criminal charges for dealing in looted antiquities. Museums are becoming increasingly careful about establishing the provenance of donations and purchases now.

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iconnumber posted 10-04-2007 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah, the Elgin marbles. It has been argued that had they not been taken out of the country they would have probably been destroyed in one of the many wars in Greece.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 10-04-2007 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There appear to be various degrees of clear title. And stolen items can range from hot to room temperature. As a dealer, I was familiar with several situations that revolved around this problem.

Several instances involved someone who did not have clear authority to sell items but was not clearly prevented from selling. One child would remain with mother and father, caring for them to the end. The other siblings would rarely visit and never help with the care. The one at home then hauls a bunch of valuables down to the neighborhood antique shop and sells them. She pockets the money. When the estate is divided, the others ask where is x? She tells them it was sold to pay medical expenses.

This is a situation I have seen many times. And have never had a clear idea of what the ultimate solution is. But I have seen very upset people ranting and raving at some poor dealer who had merchandise they claimed was stolen. Usually the police tell the sibling to buy it back.

But the police can also seize inventory as evidence. Which for a dealer is a nightmare. The merchandise is held for months on end while the courts try to determine if this set of Chantilly is the one stolen. Usually, the dealer gets the set back. But he has to prove that the receipt which reads 'silver $800.00' is the one for the set.

Which leads me to question if there can be proper receipts at a flea market. Antique shows do have better record on this. Speaking strictly hypothetically, dealers with any sense have informal arrangements with other dealers to handle this matter. Should something be questioned, they produce one of the typical garbled and vague receipts as proof of purchase. This is from a friend who will then claim to have bought the items somewhere far away, complete with a 'buncha stuff' receipt. This is how dealers at lower levels handle the problem. So, the curator is protected at that level.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 10-04-2007 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first step in dealing with a charge of stolen merchandise is to demand a copy of the police report of the theft. This almost always stops things cold. Many people do not report thefts, or notice the theft long after the event.

But if there is a report, there must be a description of the item. And that description must match exactly to the item. Usually the description is very poorly done.

In the rare instances where the item is properly described, get a lawyer.

One situation where one needs to be very wary is in buying from people who worked as in home nurses aids. These people claim to have been given all sorts of things by grateful patients. This is really tricky.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 10-04-2007 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll tell you, I don't have any experience from the owner side of this in a museum. We have had people try to reclaim things that they feel their parents (or even grandparents) gave away "unknowingly," which has no legal standing at all. We have never purchased anything that turned out to be stolen--although we did, way back in the 1970s, return a mosaic to (?) Italy that we had purchased and was subsequently found to have been looted by incontrovertible photographic evidence. We simply lost out on that purchase.

From the other side, however--and let me make this the good old hypothetical "a friend of mine who was a curator"...found out by chance that something had been put up at auction by a former staff member of his museum--something it seemed unlikely a museum staff member would have owned. (It was, hypothetically, a 17th-century Limoges enameled dish.) A quick search of the files found that records for an object like this had been carefully removed--as well as a photograph of the dish in the library. Only by searching microfilm records taken of the original accession cards did this curator find an image of the object that was missing--and it turned out to be the same object put up at a major auction house in a major east coast city. My "friend's" museum notified the auction house of the illegal sale (this was perhaps three or four years after the fact). The Museum then contacted the buyer of the piece, only to learn that the buyer had been tipped off by the auction house and had sold the piece to someone else--and had lost all record of the person to whom it had been sold. Thus the museum, without the legal resources to track this down, simply lost out. I might add that the Museum did no business with this auction house for the next decade.

Sad, but a true story.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 10-05-2007 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Doc for the legal overview.
Everyone's stories & comments are very interesting and cascade into other thoughts and questions about the nuances of each circumstance......

I suppose the issue of "good title" exists anytime an antique changes hands. Like real estate title insurance there is now the same sort of thing for paintings/artwork (Art Title Protection Insurance).

Do museum's have something similar for their collections/acquisitions which would cover things other than paintings?

I was really hoping we would have heard from more curators.... Maybe they will eventually join this discussion.

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iconnumber posted 10-05-2007 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know of another story similar to Ulysses's, involving books from a pretty notable library. The story was publicaly reported at the time, but I'd rather keep it, again, at the 'hypothetical' level. An employee stole hundreds of important early works in the sciences, sold them through several different dealers (to the tune of six figures, possibly seven). He carefully took the cards from the catalog at the same time, so no one would ever then request those books. It was eventually discovered, and some of the dealers did turn over what they had (I believe some negotiated compensation). Some also turned over sales records, and some of those purchasers also returned books. One or two, as I got the story, decided they wanted to keep them for their collections but would will them back after their death. And at least one rather prominent person simply refused. As of some years after the fact he was still succeeding in that posture, but I don't know how he managed to get away with it (I presume the usual exercise of sums of money).

So far as I know, most of the institutions I've worked with have not carried insurance - they've been mostly smaller ones. I presume some do insure at least their more valuable works. But in many cases I think the rationale goes, better to spend the money on security systems to prevent the loss in the first place.

There are at least legends of people working in insurance companies to get access to the records of who has particular things worth stealing. Don't know if they're true, but for me personally I've always been very wary. A good security system may be easier, less visible, and cheaper in the long run.

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iconnumber posted 10-05-2007 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For almost every dealer I have ever known, the question 'can you prove you clearly own the items in your inventory' is answered 'I hope I never have to'. It is not so much a case of stolen merchandise as 'foggy' title. There are reasons both for and against the title. When Daffodil peddles her mom's pricey jewelry and tells Kerwin and April that they were sold for medical expenses, there is a problem. The money should have been split three ways. It wasn't, but I don't know if that invalidates the sale. Does anyone?

There is a museum that had an odd policy. I knew several people who worked there. The museum pretty much took everything given it. Loads of stuff came into the place. And the creme de la creme were placed into the revolving exhibition material. Then, everything not exhibitable had to be stored. To save on storage expenses, employees were welcome to take things home to decorate their own apartments. I knew two people who used large 19th century paintings to cover windows. The records on these 'loans', if there were any, were not very good. The museum's collection leaked like crazy. One dealer of my acquaintance bought a steady stream of jewelery and silverware from a curator. Great works of art would remain in the collection. Lesser works would go home with somebody forever. Utilitarian objects, which were not of interest to the museum, tended to be part of the 'honest graft' of working there. The enormous collection of Wedgwood vanished from sight some 35 years ago.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 10-13-2007 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's hope that museum has tightened up its policy, because that sort of laxity completely betrays the public trust under which museums operate. Of course, the real answer to that issue is that a museum should not take in everything offered unless it really intends to preserve it. That's easier said than done. I suppose on a very limited basis, letting staff use objects in their homes might have made sense--but the lack of tracking and the ultimate loss of the objects is unconscionable.

When museums legally and legitimately "deaccession" objects, the staff and trustees of that museum are barred from acquiring it themselves (insider trading, you see).

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