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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 07-26-2008 07:07 AM
[15-0376] I don't know the answer to this:
("The one that I own" is not really cricket.) Clue: What is beauty, anyway? IP: Logged |
bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 07-26-2008 05:20 PM
For me, it's the piece that just attracted me the most, and that changes all the time. It doesn't matter if it's flatware, holloware or jewelry and old or new. No doubt the actual point of this "excercise" has gone over my head, so this is the best answer that is likely to come from me. IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 07-26-2008 07:00 PM
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" so I doubt we could ever all agree on a single item. I agree with Bascall that even the individual beholder may have ever-changing preferences. I could offer four trial answers and defend any of them:
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 07-26-2008 08:42 PM
My new Sterling Grandson! Jersey IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 07-27-2008 11:00 PM
I would vote for the Maynard dish with the mark of Paul de Lamerie. It is shown on page 85 of the book "Beyond the maker's Mark - Paul de Lamerie Silver in the Cahn Collection", by Ellenor Alcorn. The book has good photos, but I do not think anyone could capture the beauty of this piece or the admiration and wonder that it creates when it is seen in real life. is shown at this website with some of the other works that were in the exhibit. IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 07-28-2008 07:39 AM
OK. AHWT puts me to shame. Let's try a bit harder and forget my flatware obsession.
However that is perhaps more an impressive piece than one of simple beauty. The piece of silver I would most love to own and that I think is beautiful work of art by any standards is this little figurine, found not too far from where I live: Dating from 1250 - 1350 and found at Mundensbury Farm, Great Munden, Hertfordshire in 1999, this is the unidentified standing figure of a priest, apostle or saint, only about 1� inches high. Elongated stance, head covered by hood, tunic belted at waist, flowing drapery is split on the sides to reveal decorative embroidered lining. Right hand in front of chest, left hand sadly broken off. IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 07-28-2008 10:28 AM
Although I realize what a completely subjective answer this must be...I've always loved the pair of tureens by Meissonier for the Duke of Kingston, one of which (the Cleveland example) is in the current rococo show at the Cooper-Hewitt.
It was a trick question, because I know this depends on what it is about silver that floats your boat. I don't know if I could even answer this question dispassionately about the Museum's collection, or even about the pieces I've acquired for the collection... IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 07-28-2008 12:12 PM
I looked through the books I have, trying to gauge my reactions, and it keeps coming back to a salver by Jacob Hurd from the Garvan collection at Yale.
For a higher-resolution view, go to the Yale Art Museum and search on accession number 1940.125. The salver is also pictured on page 152 of Silver in American Life. For this question, I put aside technical achievement and impressiveness, and just concentrated on my own desire to look at the object. I found that what appeals to me most are relatively plain objects with some engraving or chasing, but that are not covered with decoration. The contrast is an important part of the appeal. But, on the other hand, I remember being similarly riveted by a picture in a book I don't have, a Bigelow & Kennard trompe l'oeil piece that simulates a fringed fabric; it's in Venable's Century of Splendor. That's the image that came to mind when I first read Ulysses' question. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 07-28-2008 01:05 PM
If I could have any piece of silver in the world, I would want this one.
Production details from the book Silver by Jessie McNab: quote: Circa 3000 B.C.E., from southwestern Iran. It's in the Metropolitan. IP: Logged |
Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 07-28-2008 05:58 PM
I second Ulysses. I've been back to the Cooper-Hewitt show four times so far just to stare at that thing again. IP: Logged |
dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 07-28-2008 09:43 PM
Pondered on this one for some time, and all the pieces shown and mentioned, have without doubt, their own special beauty. For myself, some of the mixed metal Japanese-inspired pieces by Tiffany and Gorham take my breath away, as do a number of the sinuous and richly enameled Liberty Cymric pieces. One piece that is engraved in my mind is a mid 18th century tea canister by Danish silversmith Jens Isachsen Friis (pictured in Boesen & Bøje's Old Danish Silver), its elegant simplicity never fails to delight me. At the other end of the spectrum is a late 19th century Dragestil drinking horn by Norwegian maker Henrik B. Møller (pictured in Widar Halen's Dragons from the North), the density of detail and grotesquely wonderful dragon just fascinates me and I find it quite beautiful in a very different way. ~Cheryl
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 07-28-2008 10:42 PM
This is one of two large silver microscopes made for King George !!! and the Prince of Wales (later George !V) about 1763 by George Adams. It is made of "brass covered with beaten silver" (Sheffield silver). IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 07-29-2008 09:50 AM
That Hurd salver at Yale is a piece I've actually handled, back when I was a student and they made us polish the silver (!!!). I have to say, the cow offering the goblet of whatever is amazing--the face on the cow (bull?) is amazing. Just goes to show, it's all terribly subjective. IP: Logged |
bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 07-29-2008 06:47 PM
Borrowing from a Lillian Beckwith book title this for me is "Beautiful Just."
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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 07-30-2008 12:25 PM
How were the Meissonier and de Lamerie pieces produced? In the tureen, for example, were the shells and lobster cast and applied? What about the decoration in the center and around the sides of the plate? I realize how little I understand about silver production as I study these two pieces. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 07-30-2008 12:28 PM
The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that virtually the entire tureen must be cast; likewise the decoration on the Maynard plate. So the incredible skill begins with the production of the molds... IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 07-30-2008 05:58 PM
Wanting a closer look at the tureen, I went to the Cooper-Hewitt site. Didn't get a better image, but did pick up the information that while the tureens and platters were designed by Meissonnier, they were made by Henri-Guillaume Adnet and Francois Bonnestrenne (the older of the two craftsmen by quite a bit). Then, on a hunt for information about casting, came across this highly relevant passage on p. 19 of Silver: quote: So, possibly, M. Bonnestrenne carved the molds from Meissonnier's drawings, while M. Adnet did the casting and soldering? IP: Logged |
blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 07-31-2008 02:01 AM
I have a copy of Sotheby's sale catalogue for the tureen (New York, May 13, 1998, sale #7146); the lavishly-illustrated 98-page catalogue is devoted exclusively to the tureen's history and construction, with biographies of its designer, makers and original owner. Bonnestrenne made the stand/underplate; Adnet made the tureen and cover. From the catalogue: "The Kingston tureen is composed of dozens of separate cast parts, all rendered by the lost wax process, then soldered on, as on the cover, held together by screws or riveted pins." The body was cast in two parts, it says, while the crab on the lid alone was cast in no less than fourteen parts, the molds probably taken from nature! The pieces were refined by chasing before assembly and finished by selective burnishing afterwards, to heighten the difference in textures and control the play of light. It is a remarkable work of art. I can honestly say that I had little appreciation for the rococo until I saw this piece; it literally changed my opinion of an entire aesthetic, and taught me a whole new way of seeing. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 07-31-2008 02:02 PM
Thanks so much for that information, blakstone. Whoa. An entire catalogue devoted to one piece. Granted, an unusually complex and magnificent height-of-style-and-quality piece. Now I'm even more envious of those of you who took the opportunity to see it up close. What was the Cleveland Museum's winning bid? (I'm assuming this is within the guidelines, as this item is off the market and out of all of our realms.) IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 07-31-2008 02:42 PM
Apologies for this digression into commerce. Will return to beauty hereafter. From the International Herald Tribune in 1999:
quote: Christie's likewise had a catalogue devoted to the tureens when they were being sold in 1977, though from the listing at an antique-books dealer it doesn't sound quite as elaborate or informative as the Sotheby version. Appropriate to the forum, if not the thread: many thanks to the Cleveland Museum for making this masterpiece available to the public. IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 07-31-2008 03:13 PM
Cheryl, thanks for your reference to Liberty & Co. work. The resulting exploration turned up many images that appeal to my sense of beauty (of the approachable sort, as opposed to the awe that the Meissonnier tureens induce). Here are two, from the sold archives of a British firm specializing in late-19th and early-20th century art nouveau and Jugendstil etc. work.
C.R. Ashbee, British, 1905.
Kate Harris, British, 1902. IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 07-31-2008 04:15 PM
The Persian cow is a delight to see and I can imagine the great and wonderful stories that went with this image. I wish we were still using myths and stories in our culture of today. IP: Logged |
salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 07-31-2008 07:38 PM
Ahwt, I can't imagine what you mean, - our culture is rife with myths. Virtually every aspect of our various shared belief systems is based on misinterpreted, unexamined myths - from creation to ultimate disposition. Even the non-mythical Theory of Evolution is fraught with mythical appurtenances. Were it not so, we wouldn't be quite so oblivious to the natural and obvious answers to our current worldwide problems. Oops, don't get me going... I, too, appreciate that object. The look of the eye reminds me of the Mona Lisa - knowing, self-aware and of equal stature with the viewer. The feminine lower portion combines with the bovine upper in an aesthetic representation of life-giving nourishment and service to both body and mind. From another perspective, it appears a piece of quintessential kitsch - amusing and modern in the extreme. I find this bipolar aspect extremely diverting. [This message has been edited by salmoned (edited 07-31-2008).] IP: Logged |
Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 07-31-2008 08:19 PM
I'm enjoying this thread so much! More opinions & pictures, please, everyone. I want to see more superlative treasures. IP: Logged |
dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 07-31-2008 08:49 PM
Add me to the admirers of the lovely cow lady - she is entrancing. Ellabee - have been a fan of British Arts & Crafts since my teens, not just the metalware, but also furniture, textiles, etc. Have always liked the pieces Kate Harris designed for Hutton & Sons, and the sensuous lines of the one you show makes it one of my favorites - believe the same design is in one of the British museums (though which one eludes me at the moment). ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 08-01-2008 04:35 PM
That dragon belongs in 'Great Faces in Silver' if he isn't there already! IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 08-25-2008 09:27 AM
That Kate Harris piece is DA BOMB! Georgian art nouveau at its most perfect. IP: Logged |
doc Posts: 728 |
posted 08-25-2008 09:51 AM
I have to agree, Ulysses. I had not seen this piece before, and it really is spectacular. IP: Logged |
dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 06-27-2010 08:10 PM
Ran across this 1903 Goldsmiths & Silversmiths Co. ad showing the Kate Harris designed piece above (would love to look through the catalogue offered).
~Cheryl IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 07-26-2010 03:09 PM
Anyone want to guess what this baby is? I had never seen it and we discovered it (another curator and I) in the Museum's storage area. It was given to us in 1920.
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-26-2010 03:16 PM
Very beautiful. Who made it and how is it marked. Would we get a hint if we saw the inside and/or the bottom? IP: Logged |
ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 07-26-2010 04:37 PM
Looks like a rooster egg basket. IP: Logged |
dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 07-26-2010 06:27 PM
The beautiful detail, denseness of the floral decoration and mixed metals make me think of some Meiji period Japanese silver I've seen. ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 07-27-2010 11:24 AM
Cheryl is such a ringer! It is indeed a tiny little Meiji covered box--just 2.5 inches wide and 2.75 inches high. It is signed, in Japanese, on the bottom. "Kinzan" was the maker, or the workshop that produced it. The Japanese loved such finely detailed work--but it had huge influence on the west as well. IP: Logged |
dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 07-27-2010 02:56 PM
Wow, assumed it was fairly small, but that is a tiny little stunner! An 1870 article in The Builder, a British publication, on "The Decorative Art of Japan" states, "No European silversmith, bronzist, or other worker in metal can emulate, or can altogether comprehend, the wonderful chasing, inlaying, tinting, and inexplicable transforming of metallic substances, effected by the Japanese metal-workers." And here's an interesting short article from an 1893 Jewelers' Circular on "Quaint Japanese Exhibits" at the Colombian Exposition:
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Nyoman Posts: 69 |
posted 04-19-2011 08:03 PM
For me the most beautiful piece of silver in the world is the sons of liberty bowl made by Paul Revere currently housed in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. While more eye dazzling objects could be easily found, it would be hard to argue that the bowl represents the most beautiful thought of our time, that being the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. IP: Logged |
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