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FredZ Posts: 1070 Registered: Jun 99	posted 07-23-2013 07:55 PM [17-0507] Here is a episode of Made in America not to miss. Craft in America Season 5 Sneak Preview ONC is one of the groups featured. IP: Logged
jersey Posts: 1203 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 07-24-2013 07:09 AM Fred, thank you so much for the heads up on this program. Perhaps a reminder nearer the date would be helpful. Thanks again! Jersey IP: Logged
ahwt Posts: 2334 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 07-24-2013 08:54 AM The Craft in America website indicates that their next show is Oct 25. 2013 on PBS. Looks like a great program. IP: Logged
middletom Posts: 467 Registered: May 2004	posted 07-25-2013 10:27 PM I am looking forward to seeing the show. We had a great time with the crew who came to film and photograph. The initial pictures I've seen amaze me that they were able to dull down the glare from my bald head. I'm not sure how much time we will be allowed on the show, but they spent two days filming and interviewing. Geoff Blake IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 07-25-2013 11:02 PM Maybe you could convince them to let us see the outtakes? Or are there some fun bloopers? IP: Logged
middletom Posts: 467 Registered: May 2004	posted 07-27-2013 09:47 PM Scott, I don't think there are any fun bloopers for we are not really fun people here. Seriously, I can't recall anything done that would qualify as a blooper. Geoff Blake IP: Logged
FredZ Posts: 1070 Registered: Jun 99	posted 06-25-2014 07:29 AM Geoff, I went looking for the ONC website. It is nowhere to be found. What has happened? Fred IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 06-25-2014 09:54 AM I fear the worse..... Their domain: www.silvercrafters.com Although still registered to ONC its about to expire. The domain/website appears to have been withdrawn. You might try the technical contact... please let us know what you find out. quote: Registrant: Olde Newbury Crafters 36 Main St. Amesbury, MA 01913 US Domain Name: SILVERCRAFTERS.COM Administrative Contact: Payable, Accounts email: tic@shore.net Canflex 412 30th St., PO Box 1014 Anacortes,, WA 98221 US (800) 544-8356 fax: 999 999 9999 Technical Contact: Registrar, Domain email: shore-dns@shore.net 173 Oxford Street Lynn, MA 01901 US 781-780-3254 fax: 781-598-8771 Record expires on 20-Aug-2014. Record created on 21-Aug-1997. Database last updated on 6-Jul-2013 18:25:17 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS3.SHORE.NET NS1.SHORE.NET quote: Domain Name: SILVERCRAFTERS.COM Registry Domain ID: Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com Registrar URL: http://networksolutions.com Updated Date: 2007-09-20T00:00:00Z Creation Date: 1997-08-21T00:00:00Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-08-20T00:00:00Z Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC. Registrar IANA ID: 2 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@web.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680 Reseller: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Registry Registrant ID: Registrant Name: Olde Newbury Crafters Registrant Organization: Olde Newbury Crafters Registrant Street: 36 Main St. Registrant City: Amesbury Registrant State/Province: MA Registrant Postal Code: 01913 Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: +1.8005448356 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +1.9999999999 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: tic@SHORE.NET Registry Admin ID: Admin Name: Payable, Accounts Admin Organization: Canflex Admin Street: 412 30th St., PO Box 1014 Admin City: Anacortes, Admin State/Province: WA Admin Postal Code: 98221 Admin Country: US Admin Phone: +1.8005448356 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +1.9999999999 Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email: tic@SHORE.NET Registry Tech ID: Tech Name: Registrar, Domain Tech Organization: null Tech Street: 13861 Sunrise Valley Dr Tech City: Herndon Tech State/Province: VA Tech Postal Code: 20171 Tech Country: US Tech Phone: +1.8886429675 Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email: domsec@networksolutions.com Name Server: NS3.SHORE.NET Name Server: NS1.SHORE.NET DNSSEC: not signed URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/ >>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:44:00 UTC <<< IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 06-25-2014 12:16 PM I called them at 800-343-1388. They are still there but it sounds like the parent company closed the website "because it was old". It feels ominous ... IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 06-25-2014 12:26 PM Geoffrey, If you would like a WEB presence, we can do something here that features you, Chloe and ONC Sales. Just let me know. IP: Logged
chicagosilver Posts: 227 Registered: Aug 2005	posted 06-25-2014 12:47 PM Companies close "old-looking" websites all the time, but they usually wait until a new, updated version is ready to replace it. The old version was, well, old, but it had some great information, history, prices, marks, and examples. Peter Erickson's site (ericksonsilver.com)is still with us, as is Randy Stromsoe's (randystromsoe.com). Does anyone know of any other handcrafted silver sites? IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 06-25-2014 12:55 PM I just checked and we have the HTML and images from the 2012 ONC web site. So if there is interest we have a road map for doing something. IP: Logged
middletom Posts: 467 Registered: May 2004	posted 06-25-2014 10:25 PM I was aware that they had shut down the site but was not aware that it was because the site was old. I didn't realize they cared enough to notice that. A few weeks ago I called Peter Dooney's son-in-law to ask if they were going to put the web site back up. I had to leave a message on his voice mail. The response was from someone down there who accused me of screaming at them. They didn't speak to me, but gave Charlene a very hard time. I had not screamed at anyone but was very civil. They are apparently all demented there. We continue the best we can. How long it will hold out, I have no idea. Geoff Blake IP: Logged
middletom Posts: 467 Registered: May 2004	posted 07-01-2014 08:52 PM Scott, I don't know what the response would be from those at the company headquarters if we set up another web site with your help, but I'm sure it would not be pretty. This whole situation is so bizarre. Last year Bob Lapham came in for a few hours to engrave some pewter bowls for the local school committee. He used the pantograph engraving machine. He put in a time card for his work and one of the brilliant ones from Connecticut called and asked why they were paying Bob, saying, "I thought we got rid of him." Someone retires after forty-eight years of good, diligent service and they say they "got rid of him". I suggest that that person was greatly overstating things to say that she had a "thought". I just don't know what the answer is Geoff Blake IP: Logged
middletom Posts: 467 Registered: May 2004	posted 07-04-2014 08:42 PM I broached the subject, that you brought up of you making a new web site, with Charlene Morin, the office manager. She said you would have to go through Peter Dooney's company in Connecticut. Perhaps trying to go directly through Peter Dooney might work, but an alternative would be his son-in-law, Scott Wall. If you want to undertake that, it might work and we thank you in advance for making the effort. Our best to you. Geoff Blake IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 07-05-2014 10:32 AM I think it is reasonable for you (ONC) to reach out to the parent company to ask what are their plans and time table as it relates to the past website, a future web site and the immediate renewal of the domain (www.silvercrafters.com). In today’s world for any business to be viable the business needs a presence on the Internet (aka a WEB site). The domain expires soon. If they don’t renew it immediately, the domain will most likely be lost to someone else. I would suggest that they immediately extend the term or they immediately give ONC/you control of the domain (www.silvercrafters.com) so you can keep it from expiring. [cost can be as little as +/- $10]. Whichever way, it is not difficult and can be done in a few minutes. I am sure I don’t want to help the parent company’s efforts to run ONC as a prestigious loss leader. I am also sure they would not appreciate hearing from me if it is their intention to continue to run ONC as a loss leader or out of business. In the event the parent company is non-responsive or there is a clear chopping block for the WEB site/ONC, what I am suggesting is for SMP/SSF to do what can be done, without the parent company’s direct involvement, to promote the craft artisans who happen to be at ONC (or retired from ONC) and to independently/indirectly steer web traffic to you via phone/email. To start, we can use Our visit to Old Newbury Crafters and do a follow-up. And following that up with WEB features on you, Chloe, and any of the retired smiths who independently are occasionally still working. I think it is pretty clear that the craft of ONC is not going to endure unless the surviving (working and retired) craftsmen outside of ONC take on apprentices. What we are interested in supporting is the craft and the people doing the craft but not the efforts of the parent company’s pencil pushers to drive everything into extinction to service the tax benefit of the parent. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 07-06-2014 12:47 PM I don't know if there is any legal recourse for ONC with the parent company. I suspect in the broadest of terms the parent company may do whatever it wants. BTAIM, I am casually aware of how individual employee circumstances can make a company take legal note and do better towards the individual and sometimes do better with the company's over approach towards its loss leader holding. Perhaps one of our SSF members with a legal background could offer some advice. If you are interested in reaching out and if a member with the appropriate background would let me know, I'll put you in touch (e-mail). IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 07-07-2014 02:29 PM middletom, Geoff, FYI - I was contacted by one of our members with some legal suggestions and another interesting idea. I have forwarded that info to you via email. I am posting here because your email provider often treats email from SMPub.com as SPAM unless you have us white listed. So if you didn't see my email then check your SPAM folder or white list SMPub.com & tell me to send it again. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 07-09-2014 10:42 AM middletom, Geoff, I realize you are looking to renew the website before it expires in August. The registrar your site is currently with is known for being expensive and does a lot of up selling. You might be better off moving the domain to a registrar that is less expensive and not as aggressive about up selling. (read a 2012 story this morning about a renewal attempt that when all the *unnecessary up selling* was done the bill would have exceeded $1200) I don't have any recent experience with the numerous registrar alternatives ... but I hear good things about Hostmoster and GoDaddy. Perhaps other members have some to suggest. Also if you/ONC would like to use a private forum to discuss things with others (SSF member or not), just let me know. Additionally, if there are members who would like to discuss the ONC situation in private forum please let me know. Some private brain storming might result in some interesting opportunities for ONC and its smiths. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 07-09-2014 10:12 PM Geoff, GoDaddy transfer/extension $7.99 IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 07-12-2014 11:41 AM The expiration date for silvercrafters.com is getting closer: *Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-08-20* IP: Logged
middletom Posts: 467 Registered: May 2004	posted 07-17-2014 09:49 PM Scott, I'm not sure what to do for we don't know if the owner will reestablish the site or not. I'll discuss this with the others at ONC and see if we can come up with a consensus about how to proceed. Geoff IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 07-18-2014 12:01 AM It is the domain name (www.silvercrafters.com ) that is expiring. I'd worry about the Domain name. Anybody can make a Web site but only one entity can control the name www.silvercrafters.com . If you and your associates care about www.silvercrafters.com then don't lose control of the Domain, www.silvercrafters.com, by letting it expire. The domain is currently registered to and can only be renewed (before 20-Aug-2014) by: Registrant: Olde Newbury Crafters 36 Main St. Amesbury, MA 01913 US Once the domain expires on 20-Aug-2014, then anyone (say Cartier) can grab the name and all ONC's years of building a web presence will be lost to the new Registrant of the domain name www.silvercrafters.com . So if the new registrant should become Cartier then when anyone searching Google for www.silvercrafters.com and then clicks on one of the 6,560 results they may expect to be routed to ONC but instead they will be routed to the Cartier web site. If I'm not being clear perhaps others will explain. IP: Logged
Polly Posts: 1970 Registered: Nov 2004	posted 07-19-2014 12:07 AM If ONC isn't willing to renew the domain name, then perhaps someone who cares about the company's traditions should jump in the minute it expires and take it over. IP: Logged
middletom Posts: 467 Registered: May 2004	posted 09-23-2014 10:06 PM When we realized that the site was going down because the web designers were going under, Charlene sent all the information to the headquarters so that they could renew it or save the address. They did nothing so it is gone. Apparently Peter Dooney bought this company with the express intention of destroying it and he is doing a fine job of that. Geoff Blake IP: Logged

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