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Bob Schulhof Posts: 194 |
posted 12-20-1999 12:24 AM
  
In the Collecting Place Settings Forum you will see a presentation of Polhamus/Shiebler Corinthian.  I have seen Sterling marked versions with the JP marks, but have not personally seen any earlier coin. As the pattern was originated in 1855 it would seem likely that coin pieces exist. Has anyone seen earlier coin versions? Does anyone know when the coin stopped? IP: Logged |
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Ted Posts: 17 |
posted 12-20-1999 10:14 AM
Bob, I feel reasonably sure their are examples of "Corinthian" in coin. It is my belief that "coin" was replaced by Sterling by 1870. There was a slow change by various manufacturers in the 1860's. For example, Gorham switched in 1868. I have had 2 pieces that were dated in an inscription Dec. 1870 and Dec. 1871. These are the latest pieces I have been able to document. Of course there were earlier changeovers. For example, I have only seen pieces by Gale & Willis (1859-62) that were sterling and were clearly marked. And then there was Ball Black who had a large amount of silver made for them in the 950/1000 standard and probably sold "English Sterling" prior to 1870. The 1860's get awfully confusing. Some think coin was made as a secondary product to sterling. I don't subscribe to this theory, but I have no way to disprove it either. Ted Stickney IP: Logged |
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Bob Schulhof Posts: 194 |
posted 12-21-1999 12:37 AM
Would appreciate anyone who actually owns a piece of Corinthian in coin to send in a scan to this forum, showing the marks. IP: Logged |
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Bob and Carol Carnighan Posts: 63 |
posted 12-21-1999 05:16 PM
We examined 176 Corinthian pieces. All were marked Shiebler or Polhamus. One piece has the very rare Shiebler #2 mark of Martin; we have not recognized the #1 mark. All pieces were clearly marked sterling. The discovery of a J.P. Patent Pending piece marked sterling would help. IP: Logged |
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Bob Schulhof Posts: 194 |
posted 12-21-1999 10:28 PM
I have one that says J.P. Patent with some numbers that look like 868 Sterling. Would that be 1868? IP: Logged |
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Bob and Carol Carnighan Posts: 63 |
posted 12-22-1999 06:56 PM
The Polhamus pieces are all stamped "J.P.Patent. 868" which we take to mean 1868; Turner gives 1855 - 1865 for Polhamus and 1876 for Shiebler. Our Shiebler pieces do not have a patent date. My point on Patent Pending came up in a thread of Scott Martin's on how to date the various Shiebler marks. It seems to us that Patent Pending would only appear on a piece in the year of or possibly the year before a patent was granted; it would never appear after the patent was granted. The marks on such a piece could be narrowed down to with a year. This would be much more reliable than an inscribed date. IP: Logged |
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