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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 10-21-2000 04:15 PM
  
The marks shown here bring up an interesting question. The first one is John Vernon on a pair of sugar tongs c 1790; the next is John Targee and is on a shoulderless fiddleback teaspoon. As can hopefully be seen in my poor scans, they both share a curious final pseudomark, a stylized 'p' in a shaped cartouche. The same mark is also noted with the mark of John's brother, Peter Targee. All three men worked in New York City c 1790-1830. I haven't found any indication of a partnership between Vernon and either Targee; did one exist? Or does this third mark represent an informal association like the grape vine on stake used by New Haven smiths or the Indian with bow found among Essex County MA makers? Has anyone seen this mark on any other New York work? [This message has been edited by wev (edited 10-22-2000).] IP: Logged |
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 10-22-2000 09:20 PM
The new MCNY catalog includes a brief discussion of the Targee/Vernon relationship. Apparently Christine Laidlaw produced an article for the Winterthur Portfolio (Spring 1988) on the wholesale silver business of Teunis Dubois. In an existing account book of Dubois', dating from 1803-1804, the name of John Vernon has been crossed out and replaced with Targee. The MCNY also owns a tea service marked by Targee, with matching tongs marked with John Vernon's stamp. Finally, one of Targee's sons was named John Vernon Targee. All of this adds up to the tentative conclusion that the Vernon and the Targees were very close, and that the Targees eventually took over Vernon's business in the mid-Oughts. The significance of the strange P mark is still unknown, but the Targees probably adopted it from Vernon. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 10-23-2000 11:15 AM
Thank you for that Brent. I will have to track down a copy of the Winterthur article. Belden shows John Targee's mark only with the additional leopard and p marks, but Peter Tardee's with his initials alone. After they became partners, they changed to I & P T flanked by the two psuedo marks. This would again indicate the primary relationship between John Targee and John Vernon. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 05-14-2008 12:17 AM
A little addition to an old post. Name: Targee [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 05-14-2008).] IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 11-15-2008 12:24 PM
The previous post was an attempt to give some idea of Peter Targee's life span. Here is the death date of a Peter Targee from Index of marriages and deaths in New York weekly museum: August 13, 1814. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 11-15-2008).] IP: Logged |
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