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melissa
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iconnumber posted 07-18-2001 12:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm wondering about the ancestry of Philip Garrett of Philadelphia. Do you have any info beyond b/d? Thanks in advance.

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iconnumber posted 07-18-2001 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not too much, but here it is:

Philip Garrett was born 13 May 1780 in Upper Darby PA to Thomas and Sarah (Price) Garrett. It is not known who Philip apprenticed to; he is first found in Philadelphia Directories in 1801, listed as a watch- and clockmaker, jeweler, and silversmith with a shop on High Street. The earliest dated piece I have found published is a bridal basket of unusual design in the Yale University collection. It was made as a gift to Abigail Griffitts from her great aunt, Elizabeth Powel, March 1817. The same collection has a number of other pieces, including a very handsome barrel form beaker, c 1805. Philip married Rebecca Cresson 10 October 1801 in Philadelphia. They had 7 children, two of whom concerns us, Thomas Cresson, born 30 Mar 1805, and Elizabeth, born 18 Sep 1806 It is presumed that Thomas learn his trade from his father; by 1828 advertisements appear in various city papers for Philip Garrett & Son, with Thomas noted as a jeweler and silversmith. Directory listings continued until 1838 and then stop; Philip lived until 1851, but I have found no indication that he continued to work on his own, so presume he retired at that point. Thomas continued in business, though I have seen no mark with his name alone. He married Frances Biddle on 18 Oct 1827. The next year, his sister, Elizabeth, married William Biddle (Frances' brother) on 8 May. The Biddles had a number of children, among whom was Samuel, born 10 July 1844. Samuel, around 1864, bought the shop of Thomas Cresson Garrett, who retired to Germantown, dying there in 1888. Samuel formed partnerships first as Clark & Biddle, then Robbins, Clark & Biddle. He retired in 1893 and the company was merged the next year with Bailey & Company to form Bailey, Banks & Biddle.

The family is part of my tree (653 smiths!) through Philip Garret's mother; by that line, he is 4th cousin to Robert and Samuel Kirk of Baltimore. I can give you both paternal and maternal lines back to the 1600's, if you wish.

Hope this is of some interest.

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iconnumber posted 07-19-2001 08:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank You! It is most interesting. Here's a real stumper now. In Philadelphia circa 1790, who with a non-English background would have been taking apprentices? German or Dutch or even Scandinavian. The men I come up with all seem to be English, but there must have been some given the Moravian influence in the area. Ideas?

You are good.

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iconnumber posted 07-19-2001 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the answer gets a little tricky. By 1790, almost all the prominent makers, English or non-English in origin, were 2nd or 3rd generation North Americans and most had both English and European ancestor lines. Samuel Kirk's paternal line, for example, was Scotch, but his maternal was German; he and Philip Garrett's common ancestor was George (Gerardus) Schaumacher of Hiedleberg who arrived in Germantown PA in the 1660s. In New York and New Jersey you find a much greater tendency for like to marry like -- the Dutch families were much more insular than their French and German counterparts in Pennsylvania. That said, here are some makers of at least partial European, non-English ancestry working c 1790 in Philadelphia.

John David (1736-1798) Dutch
John David Jr (1775- ?) Dutch
Daniel Dupuy (1719-1807) French
Daniel Dupuy Jr (1753-1826) French
Lewis Heck (w. 1760-1800) German
Christian Wiltberger (1766-1851) German
John LeTellier (1770-1800) French
Abraham DuBois (1777-1807) French
Philip Garrett (1780-1851) German
John Germon (1782-1816) Dutch/German
Benjamin Lemaire (w. 1785-1800) French
Peter Perraux (w. 1790-1810) French
Samuel Tingley (w 1795-1800) Dutch
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iconnumber posted 09-07-2001 09:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re your comment, wev, that you have not seen any pieces marked by Thomas Garrett alone: I have a spoon marked "Patent 1861 Coin T. C. Garrett."

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iconnumber posted 09-07-2001 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the note, Barbara. I hope we'll be seeing you as a registered member soon.
I would be grateful for a scan of the mark, if it is possible. Post it here or send to me directly.

Thanks

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iconnumber posted 09-19-2001 09:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, wev --

I am sorry to have to admit that at present my life is not set up for photography or scanning.

I do suppose I can cope with registering -- except that then I would have to remember my password, wouldn't I?

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