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Brent

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iconnumber posted 04-05-2002 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hello all,

Here is an interesting piece with an unidentified mark. The ladle is quite large, at 15 1/4 inches long, and is either a punch or oversized soup. It has fabulous balance, and is quite elegant. The coffin-fiddle handle is not often seen, but it works beautifully here with nice federal-style engraving. The drop is of a style I have never seen exactly before.

The mark is simply [E. FULLER] in slightly italicized capitals. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any listed silversmith with a name that would match. He may have been a retailer of another's goods. Whoever he was, he made, or had made for him, a remarkable piece of silver.

Does anyone have any knowledge of an E. Fuller, or have any other pieces with this mark? Has anyone seen this style of drop before? I would put the date of this piece at 1800-1820. The ladle came from a Delaware estate.

Any help solving this mystery would be greatly appreciated.

Brent

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wev
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iconnumber posted 04-05-2002 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a brilliant piece! That drop is a new one to me, as well.

Is the mark double struck slightly? Or overstruck? It looks to be, but it may be the pic.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 04-05-2002 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, it is very lovely. As for the mark, I'm afraid I can't say for certain one way or the other. The letters are a bit ragged around the edges, but whether it is due to a slight doublestrike or mark overstrike I just can't tell. An overstrike might be a clue as to why the mark on such a fine piece is unrecorded. In other words, it might be the mark of a little-known retailer overstriking that of a well-known silversmith.

Brent

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melissa
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iconnumber posted 04-05-2002 06:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all! von Khrum's "Silversmiths of New York City" lists an Erastus Fuller, watchmaker, at 3 Park in 1811; I will bet he is your man. What a beautiful ladle, I wonder who actually made the piece. Congratulations!

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 04-05-2002 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Melissa! The time period is right, and a watchmaker might well have sold silver as well, even if he didn't make it. We just need to find a piece with the same design characteristics marked by a known New York silversmith:-). One can only hope!

Thanks again!

Brent

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iconnumber posted 04-05-2002 09:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, with the chattered mark, my guess is he over struck his mark on another mans work, and I would like to know who that might be. We should look for that quasi-bellflower motif, maybe we can find it again. something to keep us busy in our free time.

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t-man-nc

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iconnumber posted 04-06-2002 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for t-man-nc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a thought about the drop, could this be a reinforcement of the handle due to length and size of the bowl?

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