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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 06-30-2002 03:59 PM
  
This is a very odd piece. I know of none other similar. The mark is known and shown in a well known book on American Silver. I don't want to say which one as it might cloud you opinion. t weighs 2 oz 7.5 dwt. And is 3.25” in dia. It has scratched on the bottom “2,,13 720 44 m pellet y pellet x” The patina is regular, even, and shows good age. I does not ever seem to have been fitted with a lower rim, so it seems unlikely that it ever went with a standish. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 06-30-2002 05:47 PM
I will leave off my maker suggestion to hear from others, but I wonder what you find unusual? I looks to me a fairly standard chamber stick of good quality. Am I missing something? IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 06-30-2002 07:15 PM
Another stunning piece of the silvesmith's craft. My first impression was that it was the New York maker Thomas Hammersley and I am unable to find a matching known mark by this silversmith. The knotch on the bottom is not one known for Hammersley. Still I would love to own such a fine piece and the style of the handle would lead me to believe it was made in the mid to late 18th cent. I would love to visit this great collection to learn more about how items were made. Please keep sending us these great images. IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 06-30-2002 10:36 PM
The unusual thing about the piece is it's size, really too small for a chamber stick, the upright part is the same in style and size as a Queen Anne or early Georgian taperstick. The photo makes it look large. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 06-30-2002 10:47 PM
Smallish, true, but not that unusual. The Yale collection has a pair by William Forbes of later date (c 1825-1830) but similar proportions. Silver was precious and not used to extravagance among the thrifty Yankees; if a 3 1/4" diam. sufficed, so be it. We forget too that folks were rather smaller in size then, children and adults. IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 01-08-2005 05:47 PM
I realized I never followed up on this posting. The mark is shown in Matha Gandy Fale's "Early American Silver" in photo 222b p.277. She says it is a fake mark added to an Englsh piece. Some years back I found out Witerthur didn't look upon it as a fake. Although one can never be sure a mark isn't added later if the faker is very careful to distress the mark, I would bet my piece is completely original. It takes some guts to contradict an authority like Ms Fales, but I do. American at Winterthur ignores the inkstand and it's mark. Also I checked with one of the most knowledgeable London dealers, and he said he had never seen anything like it in England. IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 10-22-2011 06:00 PM
Better late than never. The mark does look like Thomas Hammersley according to Ensko's American Silversmiths and Their Marks. They list several different marks of his, the one you have shown is one of them. Hope you still have the piece. Jersey [This message has been edited by jersey (edited 10-22-2011).] IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 10-22-2011 07:06 PM
Actually it is not and the mark is still considered spurious or, at best, not Hammersley's. IP: Logged |
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