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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 04-28-2003 06:40 PM
  
This is a good, but very rare, piece of Southern silver. Did we ever decide if ST.Louis was Southern? I don't have it in front of me but it is about 9" high. I think I know what it is, but I am open to suggestions. Two members have seen it before and are disqualified. It is gilt inside and it belonged to a river boat captain. Anyone have one like it? I like pairs. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 04-28-2003 10:50 PM
My wife thinks it is a holder for mint julep straws or alternately to hold quills or spills. By the way Carol is still waiting for you to tell her what she brought years ago at the Machinist Hall. IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 04-29-2003 10:26 AM
Neither "pairs" nor the "Captain" were hints as to what this is. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 04-29-2003 10:36 AM
Could it be for an artist's water color paint brushes? IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-29-2003 10:55 AM
An excellent idea -- and if Labarbedor sends it along to me, I'll will be happy to test out the theory. . . IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 04-29-2003 05:41 PM
No. No. Not even close. My first guess was a cigar holder, which wasn't right either. Maurice IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-29-2003 05:47 PM
Okay, but I still think you should send it to me to try. . . IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 04-29-2003 09:26 PM
No I am not going to let someone put brushes in my..my..? IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-29-2003 09:34 PM
All right, be that way, but they are really very good brushes -- Kolinsky red sable. IP: Logged |
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Fitzhugh Posts: 136 |
posted 04-30-2003 08:01 AM
A lovely and historically important piece of Missouri silver, regardless of it's intent. Thank you for sharing it with us. IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 05-20-2003 01:25 AM
Ok even with our influx of new blood, and quite knowledgeable new blood I might say. No one has yet identified this everyday household object, used every day (sorry I watched too much "You Bet Your Life" as a child). In any case this, I am reasonably sure, is a mixer for and "egg frappe". The drink had various names, but the idea is you put a raw egg, or some part thereof, and shook it with something else, hopefully alcohol had a place here. The wires are put in to break up the yoke. That also explains the fact that it is gilt inside. If you didn't figure this out (and we all know you didn't) don't feel so bad. I had to call an English friend, who luckily had seen one (and only one) in glass. So I am afraid I have little chance of acquiring a pair. Does anyone have a name for it? Maurice IP: Logged |
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Stephen Posts: 625 |
posted 05-20-2003 11:01 AM
Cocktail Recipe Absinthe Frappe 1 1/2 ounces Absinthe Frappe with ice.
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 05-20-2003 12:07 PM
This is getting deep -- I might as well throw my .02 in, too. How about a spill holder? Spills were twisted pieces of paper used to light candles and lamp wicks. They were usually kept in glass "spill holders" (usually mistaken today for "spooners" or spoon holders) on a bed table or fireplace mantle. A pocket spill holder would have been handy to have while wandering about a river boat at night, if a lamp were to be found to have gone out. Yes, at 9" it would have required deep pockets - may portable would be a better word. Or maybe he kept it in his cabin for personal use only. Whatever. Just an idea, but it makes a bit more sense to me than paint brushes, but then again, he might have been a painter. . . . IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 05-20-2003 07:33 PM
Oops! I just noticed ahwt's wife had already suggsted "quills or spills." Sorry. IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 05-20-2003 10:41 PM
My guess would be that this is the cap or head piece for a cane or staff. Or to hold a feather duster or brush. Which would be used every day. The wires inside would be for holding whatever firmly in place. In any event, I suspect it is a handle for something that can be periodically replaced. Usually, St Louis is not considered Southern. But Kansas City, and even Leavenworth KS, are as part of a logic I really can't begin to follow. PS Having spent 4 years in St Louis, I would venture it is a rain gauge to measure the every day rainfall. IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-20-2003 11:36 PM
Maurice, I am shocked that the French do not have a name for this ever so clever egg frappe shaker. If in fact there is no name for it, I suggest we devise a name for it here and now. Un Frappetier! Le Frappete! Frappe whisk! Fred IP: Logged |
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nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 05-21-2003 12:11 AM
My vote below: Liberté, Egalité, Frappernité! (Well, at least Maurice likes it. Rick IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 05-21-2003 11:01 AM
I can see I am bearing the brunt of Chirac's actions, or lack thereof. Ok, I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with a cane, if it is a container for anything it would have to be something from which silver needs to be protected,or else why the gilding. Finally why the oddly and irregularly placed wires. Take them out and I could accept cigar humidor. So far mixer is the only thing that fits. As for the French name, I'm working on it, and certainly would rejuct the suggestions so far offered, although I did get a laugh. Maurice IP: Logged |
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Fitzhugh Posts: 136 |
posted 05-21-2003 03:16 PM
I see that Capt. Atchison owned and navigated the "Amaranth." I wonder if he'd had too many absinthe frappes when he ran it on a sand bar??!! It does seem a strange thing to present a riverboat captain, now doesn't it! Are we sure this didn't hold cigarillos or something of that sort? Perhaps some kind of navigational instruments?? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 05-21-2003 05:46 PM
Have you had access to contemporary catalogs?I have looked through a later, undated catalog from the Mermod & Jaccard Jewelry Co. (after 1883) and could not find it. If this was a successor firm, either the container in question was discontinued by this time, or it was a custom order. IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 05-22-2003 01:01 AM
I am surprised that no one seems to like the mixer explanation. If it is for cigars, why the wires? Do cigars need to be separated? Also I have no doubt this was a special order item, which in that period was no big deal. How many requests would on get for a “frappetier”? By the way although I love that suggested name, in French , that would be a blowtree, does that make sense? I am still working on the French name if it exists. I checked the Objets Civil Domestiques, but no luck. By the way it is a very good book even if you don’t speak French. Email me about any domestic object from the 19th century and I will send you a copy of that page. Maurice IP: Logged |
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nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 05-22-2003 03:56 PM
Frappé outil? Frappé fabricant? Frappé instrument? Frappé dispositif trembleur? Frappénator??? Rick IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 05-22-2003 11:41 PM
Maurice, I believe your explanation of drink mixer to be the most plausible and I like the idea that the elite carried this device with them to be able to indulge in their particular drinking habit. I think we should all meet at your house to partake of the absinthe frappe. I can then take orders for making personal shakers for each of the participants. Fred IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 05-23-2003 01:51 AM
Yes everyone is invited, but please I hate absythe. Those who keep trying to find a funny name are going to be let down. I asked someone at the alliance who likes antiques. She never heard of one either but her guess was "shaker". Maurice IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 06-25-2003 11:37 PM
I finally got an answer from a German friend who says: "Concerning the shaker, I think it's for to make "Eierlikör". It was "a la mode" from the end of the 18th century up to 1900. You take a yolk, 10 cl of brandy, a little bit of cream, a spoonful of sugar and some vanilla or spice - and you shake it in your little shaker - it's great. It's very well known in Netherlands, northern Germany and Denmark - today you can buy it in bottles from a company called Verpoorten. I have seen several of this shakers in gilded copper, brass and silver. Sailors and old lady's loved it - it was the first "power drink" in history." Who's coming over to try one? IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 06-25-2003 11:40 PM
Also known as a brandy Alexander. Know your Evelyn Waugh? IP: Logged |
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