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frank1014 Posts: 4 |
posted 06-23-2004 09:49 PM
  
A friend of mine who used to be a pretty serious English silver dealer, purchased an enormous spoon here in the U.S. (this is at least as big as any English or American basting spoon, hash spoon, or ragout spoon either of us has ever seen). The spoon is marked twice on the handle, and looks like "HJH". He has asked me to post the following request for help in identification; the attached photos are his as well.: "I bought the other day an enormous spoon at a small country auction. I am now retired ,but used to deal exclusively in English silver,(this is where I am from). My first thought was Provincial Irish (Cork maybe), but showing the decoration to a friend he suggests and I concur it could be late 18th-early 19th Century American.The size is enormous, bigger by far than any stuffing spoon I have ever had, the bowl alone is 5 inches long and 3.5 inches wide and it is a massive 15.5 inches long, and almost exactly 8 ounces weight.!! Anybody help with this one, I guess I will sell it although it intrigues me..... IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 06-23-2004 10:40 PM
I took the liberty of capturing and posting your images in a friendlier size. The third picture was, alas, rather too blurry. If you wish to retake it, I will be happy to post it up as well. As for the query itself, if your intention is to garner information for better profit, you will get little help here. This forum is for the education and assistance of collectors, be they beginners or old hands. I hope that I have mis-read the implication; it is an interesting piece and a mark unknown to me. [This message has been edited by wev (edited 06-23-2004).] IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 06-23-2004 11:22 PM
Welcome to the Forums, Frank. This spoon is almost certainly European, probably Scandinavian or North German. I have seen such large spoons of both German and Scandinavian origin, and, from what I can make out of it, this decoration is reminiscent of that on Scandinavian examples, too. Usually, the maker's mark is accompanied at least by an assay master's or standard mark (10 1/2, 11, 12, or 13), but sometimes appears alone as one or two strikes. I may have seen this particular mark before, but I have no example at hand, and I lack the necessary references to pin it down. Incompletely marked European and British spoons (particularly Scottish and Scandinavian) can be mistaken for American, especially those of forms that resemble American ones (which are ultimately derived from Old World styles themselves). There are numerous examples to be found in general and regional books and catalogs of American silver, and even experienced collectors of Early American silver, such as yourself, can sometimes fail to recognize them. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 06-23-2004).] IP: Logged |
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frank1014 Posts: 4 |
posted 06-24-2004 12:43 AM
First, my sincere thanks for the information from both wev and swarter. And let me assure you I was not intentionally violating any forum rules in quoting my friend's email about his possible intentions, and apologize if I have done so. Scandanavian was a possibility that had not occurred to me. I have seen very large English spoons like this, and a similar sized piece, with upturned handle, by Jacob Hurd recently sold at Christies or Sotheyby's this year (I can't recall which). But this piece is obviously later--I would guess circa 1790-1810? Anyway, thanks for the kind reply to my initial effort with a first post, and I am especially thankful to wev for the help with the photos (only took me about an hour to figure out how to do that!--slow learner...) Have been reading this forum with great pleasure for many months, and am always astounded by the depth of knowledge. IP: Logged |
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