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mdhavey Posts: 164 |
posted 11-28-2004 10:44 PM
  
I've always thought that spoons made from one piece of silver came into being around 1840 and were machine stamped. Prior to that, I thought, the bowls were made separately and soldered to the handles. I've just been informed (by a knowledgeable (?) dealer) that certain makers even in the 18th century made spoons in one piece, much like pewter spoons. Is there a consensus—did the early US silversmiths, pre 1800, make one-piece spoons? IP: Logged |
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FredZ Posts: 1070 |
posted 11-28-2004 11:09 PM
18th century American silver spoons were hand wrought from a single billet of silver and not made by soldering a handle to a bowl. Pewter spoons were cast into spoon molds. Some very early New York spoons of the 17th century were made from cast handles soldered to forged bowls. The practice was brought to this country by the Dutch trained silversmiths. Fred IP: Logged |
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mdhavey Posts: 164 |
posted 11-29-2004 01:45 PM
This would be different from the British tradition of spoons which seem to be soldered with either a rat tail or a single or double thumb join (especially the larger spoons)? I'm thinking of the fiddle back design--late 18th century? [This message has been edited by mdhavey (edited 11-29-2004).] IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 11-29-2004 02:05 PM
Rat-tails and drops have been largely decorative for nearly three Centuries. See the discussion under this thread for further elaboration. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 11-29-2004).] IP: Logged |
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mdhavey Posts: 164 |
posted 11-29-2004 03:24 PM
Thanks for the link to that great thread. I see that I was one of many who labored under the (wrong) assumption that the drop was functional and indicated 2-piece construction. IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 11-29-2004 04:41 PM
The drop is functional, as was the rat-tail. Both served to strengthen the vulnerable conjunction of stem and bowl at the point of most load. IP: Logged |
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 11-29-2004 08:00 PM
As noted in other threads, many of the Arts & Crafts era silversmiths also made the incorrect assumption of how things were maed in the "olden days", and made their spoons in two parts. Spoons made in this fashion tend to be weaker, and the solder joint can not match a continous wrought piece for strength. Brent IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 11-29-2004 09:09 PM
I don't know that it can be put down to Arts & Crafts silversmiths not understanding how older flatware was made necessarily. Would suspect that it was a combination of lack of formal training, and the fact that it is easier to fabricate things like small spoons with ornate handles (like the Linton one on the forum recently) in sections. IP: Logged |
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