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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 03-01-2005 08:26 PM
  
I was recently asked to help identify the maker of this nice cann, but I'm afraid it has me stumped. The form is fairly generic, without any real regional distinction. Though the fellow's grandmother received it from her mother, there is no earlier history to it nor any hint at whose initials are on it or the relevance of the date. Hearing the mark described, I thought first of Thomas Warner, but it is too early to be his and it's a bit better than I would credit Thomas Wilmot with. Anyone have an idea? IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 03-02-2005 10:57 PM
I do not know who TW is, but I love the pattern that the marks make on the bottom of the cann. In looking through a lot of reference books I am struck with the small number of times that the photographs show the exact placement of the marks on the objects pictured. A close-up of the silversmith's mark is often shown, but it is usually isolated and cropped so its placement and number of marks on the object is not always clear. The book on Channel Islands silver is somewhat an exception as the author does show quite a few objects with a separate photo of the marks not removed from the actual object. I think one gets a better idea of the silversmith's work if this part is shown. The ring of four marks appears to be very common among the Channel Islands silversmiths, but alas no TW is listed in the book. In any event it would appear that TW was quite happy with this work; as well as he or she should have been as it is a beautiful cann. IP: Logged |
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labarbedor Posts: 353 |
posted 03-02-2005 11:50 PM
OK you broke the ice. I also looked in the Channel Island books. You obviously checked the earlier one. I doubt this piece is American. However I checked all the other alternatives with no luck. [This message has been edited by labarbedor (edited 03-03-2005).] IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 03-03-2005 12:17 AM
Three minds with but a single thought - I had looked there, too. the pattern of placement is very much like that of English hallmarks - one always looks for overstrikes in a case like this, and I see no evidence of that in the photos. The shape of the punch is very odd: scalloped above, barbed below, and concave on the sides - very characteristic and possibly unique. A mystery. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 03-04-2005 11:30 AM
I checked with the owner and his grandmother's line began in Ireland, but no one is sure when they crossed over the seas. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 03-04-2005 01:07 PM
I can sometimes look like T if the top and bottom bars are cut unequally - this one is clearly a T. IP: Logged |
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t-man-nc Posts: 327 |
posted 03-05-2005 06:54 PM
A shot in the dark... Thomas Whartensby or would he be to late...? Thats the only "T" "Pellet" "W" in my notes... "Smaug" IP: Logged |
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