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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 03-06-2005 08:43 PM
  
[19-0536] Hi all, Recently purchased this pair of salt/mustard spoons, charmed by the engraving and the shape of the bowls. Measuring 3-7/8" long, they're not identical, but very close. The top one in the picture has particularly nice wriggle-work detailing on the petals, while the second has it on the leaves. The marks are the same on both, appearing to be a "P" (with serifs) in a shield, a male head in a rectangle with clipped corners, and (facing the opposite direction) a crowned leopard head with whiskers in a rectangle with clipped corners. Any opinions on whether they're American and when they might date to and the area of origin? Thanks in advance! Cheryl IP: Logged |
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Argent47 Posts: 67 |
posted 03-11-2005 03:48 PM
Not sure but could it be Benjamin Pyne, a London maker ?? (late 17th - early 18th century). IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 03-31-2005 01:37 PM
I agree with Cheryl that these are pseudohallmarls - the head is facing the wrong direction to be an English soverign's head, and he use of a crowned lion would be a Century or more out of date on a mid-1800's spoon, if English. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 03-31-2005 04:24 PM
These sweet spoons have been sitting on my desk since I posted, like them even more than when first bought. Any opinions from the coinies on dating or what general area they might be from? Cheryl ;o) IP: Logged |
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 03-31-2005 07:35 PM
They are definitely American. If I had to guess the area, I'd say New York State; psuedomarks are very common on New York silver, and the style of the engraving is right for the area as well. I'd guess 1850's or 60's, based on the bowl shape and the engraving, which just doesn't come into vogue again until about then. Brent IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 04-02-2005 01:39 PM
Thanks so much Brent! I'd guessed somewhere around 1850 on the age, but was totally lost on where they might have been made. Appreciate the well-explained opinions. Cheryl ;o) IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 04-13-2005 09:38 AM
This isn't so much a reply as a companion request for information. I've been digging in old "Silver" magazines for articles on pseudo-hallmarks. Does anyone have an idea where some good articles on the use of pseudo-hallmarks might be? Spoons, in particular, are very often stamped with these marks, then also with retailer's marks. I'd like to be able to update our records, but don't know where to look. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 04-13-2005 09:55 AM
Do you have McGrew's new book Manufacturers' Marks on American Coin Silver by John R. McGrew on the subject? Personally, I am leery of any absolute attributions when it comes to these marks, but for now it is the best reference we have. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 04-15-2005 07:47 AM
I am such a dolt, I'll probably find we have it in the library already; but since I don't remember having heard of it before, I'll check, and order it if we don't have it. Many thanks. IP: Logged |
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