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middletom Posts: 467 |
posted 04-28-2005 06:55 PM
When, in this country, did silverware makers switch from coin silver to sterling? Was the change quick or slow? Is there a date generally given as the demarcation? And, why was the switch made? IP: Logged |
IJP Posts: 326 |
posted 04-29-2005 12:51 PM
The "switch" was not immediate, and actually took several decades, from what I understand. I believe that Tiffany & Co. was among the first to adopt the sterling standard, about 1851. Gorham made the switch about 1868. Sterling became the American standard by around 1870, but many makers were still producing coin for some time beyond then. As for why the change was made, English silver of course had always been of sterling quality, and although tariffs were imposed on English sterling coming into the U.S. in order to protect local producers, many makers wanted to emulate and stay in competition with the standards of the English. [This message has been edited by IJP (edited 04-29-2005).] IP: Logged |
Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 04-29-2005 07:23 PM
Different standards of silver have existed side-by-side in several European countries such as France and Germany. So I wonder whether the change in the US was merely to conform with English practice. After all the difference between 900 and 925 is minimal compared to, for example, 800 and 950. My own feeling is that the switch had more to do with the economic factors of supply and availability. I stand to be corrected by numismatists, but I believe that the silver dollar enjoyed scarce circulation during the 1860s - in part due to instability in the relation between silver and gold. So, if silversmiths had previously used coins as their source - the source was drying up! During the same decade, however, there was an enormous expansion in silver mining. According to one source, from less than $50,000 worth of silver produced in 1849 (primarily as a by-product of gold mining) the value climbed to $10,000,000 by 1864. Even so much ended up in Europe to pay debts incurred in the Civil War, and additional silver had to be imported from Mexico. So perhaps silversmiths were buying in their raw material directly from the mines, and perhaps here the standard was higher? Certainly falling silver prices would make the change from coin to sterling financially less noticeable. IP: Logged |
IJP Posts: 326 |
posted 04-30-2005 12:43 PM
Patrick: In Tiffany Silver, Carpenter writes quote: In Gorham Silver quote: In Tiffany Silver Flatware Dr. Hood writes quote:
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 05-05-2005 06:07 PM
I certainly take the point about fashion, but even so the introduction of sterling by Tiffany and Gorham is some 15 years apart. Searching through older postings, I see several previous postings have dealt with the theme. In American coin silver The Comstock Lode yielded $400 million in silver and gold between 1859 and 1878 peaking in 1877, with the mines producing $21,000,000 of silver that year alone. Certainly much of this silver was initially exported - some to pay war debts, but more perhaps to buy in gold. However the 1870s saw a widespread fall in silver price due both to over-suppy and falling demand. In 1876 a committee reported to London's parliament on the depreciation of silver: "It will be observed that two sets of causes have been simultaneously in operation. The increased production of the newly discovered mines, and the surplus silver thrown on the market by Germany, have affected the supply. At the same time the decreased amounts required for India, and the decreased purchases of silver by the members of the Latin Union, have affected the demand. A serious fall in the price of silver was therefore inevitable." So did the falling need for silver for monetary purposes translate into an increased demand for silver objects? I'm certain the answer is yes. And the switch to sterling standard, I am still convinced has something to do with the switch of sources from Mexican dollars to silver ingots from American mines. At least one of the millionaires from the Comstock Lode, John W. Mackay, was originally from Ireland, did this then have any bearing on the standard of purity which he chose? And furthermore, the difficulties of mining the Comstock Lode gave rise to significant technological improvements - could not such a climate have contributed to similar improvements in purity superior to that obtained in Colonial Mexico? IP: Logged |
IJP Posts: 326 |
posted 08-20-2005 03:30 PM
Firstly, about Mackay and the Comstock Lode: The famous Mackay flatware service was not undertaken by Tiffany & Co until 1877-78, some quarter century after Tiffany had converted to the sterling standard (Mackay was not associated with the Comstock Lode until about 1859). As I mentioned above, by 1870 or so, sterling had already become the American standard. Additionally, based on the illustrations and text of Dr. Hood's book on Tiffany flatware, I see no indication that the Mackay service is marked sterling at all. In fact, the only marks mentioned or displayed are Tiffany & Co - Pat. 1878. I should add that Dr. Hood was very consistent in indicating all the marks on flatware featured in his book. May I assume that the Mackay service did not bear the sterling mark? I mean, it's not as though they had to impress anybody, so I suppose the quality stamp would have been superfluous. Secondly, I was reading about the Bailey, Banks & Biddle Co. in Rainwater's Encyclopedia..., and ran across an interesting quote from the Bailey & Company History of Silver, Ancient and Modern quote:Of course, since the company put out this publication itself, there's bound to have been a little embellishment for publicity's sake, but does anyone happen to have the exact date for Bailey & Company's switch to sterling? IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 08-22-2005 07:58 PM
I think Bailey was tooting its own horn. There was a very early sterling mark "STER.AMERI.MAN" for Sterling American Manufacture, used in Philadelphia in the 1809-1812 period by Simeon Chaudron and Anthony Rasch. I believe this is the earliest use of "sterling" stamped on American silver. (This from Ian Quimby's book on the silver at Winterthur). Samuel Kirk also attempted to use a variant of a sterling hallmark (not the word) in the late 1820s, but neither of these "took." I'm floored to see the low silver content of the California pieces. That seems far lower than I'd expect on any coin silver in the USA. IP: Logged |
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