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Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 07-08-2005 02:00 AM
Hi all, I just picked up a neat coin silver porringer marked twice, once on the bottom of the bowl and once on the bottom of the handle with the maker's name D.C. DENHAM in a rectangular cartouche. On the top of the handle is a period script monogram and date of 1825. I am not finding much about Mr. Denham in the "Marks of American Silversmiths", by Belden, othere then that he was working c. 1820 Thanks for the help, in advance. Marc Cutcher IP: Logged |
wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-08-2005 12:19 PM
I believe, and this is very tentative, that he is Daniel Chase Denham (or Dunham in some records) fo Newport RI, born 13 Nov 1798, died 14 Sep 1854. I have found no concrete records, only family anecdotal evidence. IP: Logged |
wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-08-2005 12:44 PM
I just found an old note to myself that the Newport Historical Society records a Daniel Dunham, silversmith, but with no indication of date. I never followed this up (too many makers, too little time), but will do so now. IP: Logged |
wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-08-2005 01:03 PM
I have just spoken to the Newport Historical Society and Daniel Chase Denham/Dunham did indeed run a jeweler and silversmith shop there c 1820. They are going to assemble additional information and post it to me; I will follow up when it arrives. IP: Logged |
Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 07-08-2005 04:19 PM
Hi Wev, I will be picking up a soup / table spoon that came with the porringer early next week. I left it behind because it had been used hard. Thanks for your help so far. Marc IP: Logged |
Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 07-08-2005 04:55 PM
Hi.. I thought it would be nice to see a few photos of this piece....Marc
porringer in question. body is 4" in diameter.. length over handle is 6 1/2".
engraving and date on handle
side view of this piece IP: Logged |
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 07-08-2005 06:49 PM
Not your typical keyhole handle - I don't recall seeing one quite like it, which just might indicate that it is an original and not from a commercial supplier. If not, it should be traceable to the actual maker. Nice piece. The side view looks rather deeper than your measurements would indicate - is the aspect ratio of your photo correct as posted? IP: Logged |
Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 07-09-2005 12:34 AM
Hi again... Yep.. No matter how I measure it it is still 1.875" high (or deep). You know .. that is deeper then most of my other poringers, and the aspect as seen in the photo is correct.. I held the piece at the same angle in front of the photo to check. Marc IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-09-2005 07:29 AM
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-09-2005 10:04 AM
Were they still bleeding people in the 1820s? IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-09-2005 10:34 AM
I would hope not. Sometimes old habits die hard. Quackery is still a problem today. IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-09-2005 10:58 AM
quote: CNN story about Blootletting today IP: Logged |
Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 07-10-2005 12:17 AM
BLECH..! IP: Logged |
Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 07-12-2005 08:36 AM
I think that a silver porringer from the 1820s is a remarkable holdover. My understandaing has always been that porringers were outmoded by the end of the 18th century- in silver at least, tho' pewter ones were made well into the 1800s. So this one is interesting for several reasons. By the way, I have never heard of an American porringer referred to or used as a bleeding bowl. IP: Logged |
Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 07-12-2005 09:02 AM
The porringer, in this form with one flat side-handle, both in the American Colonies and in Britain developed from the lid of the mid c.17th skillet. It doubled up as a cover and a dish from which to sup the contents. Quite why these fairly common pieces of domestic plate became known widely as bleeding bowls is beyond me. Somehow they became associated as birth gifts in the American Colonies and continued to be made and used in that connection continuously through to the present day. This did not happen in Britain where they had fallen from fashion by about 1720. I will try and find a picture of one 'in situ' on its skillet and post it. [This message has been edited by Silver Lyon (edited 07-12-2005).] IP: Logged |
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 07-12-2005 04:05 PM
Bowls with graduated volumetric lines around the inside are known as bleeding bowls. They are commonly made of pewter, and, like Silver Lyon, I do not recall ever having encountered one in silver. Roger Hornsby, in his Pewter of the Western World illustrates a number of these of various types, two of which are of straight-sided "porringer form" with single porringer handles. It is this type which probably gave its name to the English single-handled form of silver porringer, with the two-handled form retaining the appellation of "porringer." Others are cup shaped (the practice of blood-letting was known as "cupping.") or plain graduated bowls. The practice of blood-letting by physicians to eliminate "evil spirits," or later, "poisons" from the body of sick persons persisted longer than most of us now realize, with the associated use of leeches for blood-letting in barber shops by "barber-surgeons" persisting well into Victorian times. Recently, there has been a reintroduction of the practice in hospitals, which now use medicinal leeches to reduce persistent edema. The use of true porringers in silver as household items in America persisted for about a century longer than in England. A number of 19th Century examples (both Federal and Victorian) have been offered on ebay in the past several months. Nineteenth Century American examples in pewter turn up with much greater frequency than the much scarcer silver ones, having been made in great numbers both here in America and in England for export to America well into that Century. Barber shop leech jars turn up too, usually unrecognized as such, in antique malls, markets, and shows, with much greater frequency than true bleeding bowls. Manufacture of porringers, both in silver and pewter, has never entirely ceased, being made and sold even today primarily as decorative objects, although they have been pressed into service for various practical uses such as ashtrays and paper-clip holders. IP: Logged |
Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 07-13-2005 06:46 PM
Hi there once again.. To let you all know, there is a fiddle handled spoon that goes with the porringer.. Same maker and also period engraved and with a date of "1825" just under the monogram. So... it looks like if this were a bleeding bowl, the vampire involved knew his etiquette, and how to use the propper spoon, and not to drink directly from the bowl. Well really, it appears we have a childs bowl and matching spoon that has made it down through a family, without being split up. Does not happen often.. Marc Cutcher IP: Logged |
bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 02-01-2008 05:11 AM
The son appears to have served in the civil war and at sometime either before or after the war took up the jewelry trade which he continued in until at least 1897. After having another look at the younger Daniel C Denham, I see that he was listed in Newport, Rhode Island business directories under jewelry and watches initially in 1864 and through 1910. He is listed in the 1910 Newport census and his occupation is given as none. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 02-26-2011).] IP: Logged |
argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 02-01-2008 09:01 AM
Is there a photo of the mark? A French company has been raising and harvesting medicinal leeches for a long time. Now the US FDA is requiring all newcomers to submit applications. It is a fresh water critter that is now used primarily post skin graft and reattachment surgeries. With all of our knowledge these critters are still the best(only) way to relieve blood congestion in the arteriole/capillary vascular system. The primary cause of skin graft failure is failure of blood supply in the arterioles hence the capillaries. Arterioles carry a few corpuscles side by side whereas capillaries carry a single cell one after the other and whose walls are semipermeable to the blood cells feeding individual body cells. Nice piece of silver you got there. By the way I remember my greatgrandmother telling stories about being chased out of her dads office while he was bleeding someone. That would have been around 1860. IP: Logged |
wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 02-01-2008 12:12 PM
Daniel senior married Sarah Lydia Sherman. Her grandfather, Peleg Sherman (c 1730-1788) is apparently termed a "goldsmith" in his grandfather Eber's will (listed in Rhode Island Vital Records, which I do not have access to). I have never seen a reference to him in the literature -- has anyone? IP: Logged |
bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 02-03-2008 11:09 PM
It appears that Peleg Sherman (c 1709-) married Sarah Chase. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 02-04-2008).] IP: Logged |
bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 02-07-2008 12:06 AM
The deputy clerk of the probate court in Newport, RI informed me that there is an estate record for Ebenezar Shearman on file there that can be viewed or copies purchased. I'll get my daughter who lives in Middleton to take a look at it for members of the family that are of interest or look at it myself the next time I'm up there to visit. IP: Logged |
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