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vathek

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iconnumber posted 04-21-2006 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would compiling a list of retailer's marks be useful? For instance I have a coin spoon marked "Leavenworth Detroit". I believe Leavenworth was a jeweler, not a silversmith. This could save someone a lot of time in researching makers.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 04-21-2006 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have always thought cataloging retailer’s marks was an interesting idea and floated the concept in the Book Of Silver (just 4 pages of retailers marks cross referenced to patterns/style/maker) ..... Cataloging retailer’s marks is an idea that never received much interest from our BOS users. On the surface creating a catalog of retailer’s marks appears that it would be a negligible effort. As one starts to explore doing a retailer’s catalog of marks, it rapidly reveals that it could evolve into a very complex project; such that it could make the SSF silver library project look trivial.

You have my support for the idea.

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wev
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iconnumber posted 04-21-2006 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You could start with the 700 or so included in my project.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 04-21-2006 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Grettings vathek!
I third the motion, great idea.
Many times it is confusing to know whether the item is the maker or retailer and this may help to research an item via both methods.
Good luck with the project should you go foward with it. Thanking you in advance.
Jersey

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 04-22-2006 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WEV
Is there an index to Retailers in your massive and wonderful project?

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wev
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iconnumber posted 04-22-2006 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not as such; it is likely most of those in the jeweler's index marked goods as retailers. I have not done a separate watchmaker index, but will try to get one up soon.

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iconnumber posted 04-22-2006 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've re-built the site (up to 2,950 now) and added an index of watchmakers.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 04-23-2006 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your efforts in your project are immense. I am very appreciative in all that you have contributed to the study of silver. Thank you.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2006 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most impressive WEV.

Retailers marks sure could use a good study. It would seem to me the way to do it would be by studying listings in old city directorys and newspapers to come up with a list of possible suspects. And then matching them with known marks. Which is an incredible project.

One other thing that should be looked into. It is quite easy to assume that a marked piece represents a single jeweler's store. Which I suspect is a conclusion jumped at without considering other possiblities.

One of which is that it represents a jobber or wholesaler. It is a common practice among jewelers to rent their inventory from someone with excess. Or who is in the business of renting out jewelry and silver. The way it works is that the jeweler receives a tray of rings. or whatever, from the source. The tray is displayed for a set period of time. At the end of that period, the jeweler pays a set price per piece plus a percentage of the sold items. He then returns the tray and receives a new, fresh one. This allows a small scale jeweler to constantly refreash and renew his display. Which brings in buyers.


There is some silver, both plate and sterling, found in the Upper Midwest, marked with something like Broddegaard. It covers many makers. The general consensus seemed to be that Broddegaard was someone who just jobbed out silverware. And never really made any himself, nor ever had his own retail outlet.

I suspect that we would find a number of such people going back a long, long way.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 06-29-2008 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have a coin spoon marked "Leavenworth Detroit". I believe Leavenworth was a jeweler, not a silversmith.[/B]

The Leavenworth in this instance may have been a retailer. However, there is a T B Leavenworth in the 1853-4 Detroit City Directory that is listed as a silversmith. Apparently, he was Thomas Burr Leavenworth who was born December 14, 1821 in Bethany, Conncecticut. In the 1860 U S Federal Census for Detroit, Michigan, T B Leavenworth is listed as a silver spoon maker, and in the 1870 U S Federal Censu for Detroit, Michigan, he is listed as a silver spoon manufacturer.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 08-21-2008 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case it hasn't already been mentioned, there is a Thomas B Leavenworth who is listed as a silversmith in 1850 in "The Commercial Advertiser Directory for the City of Buffalo 1850-1851, Publisher: Jewett Thomas & Co, Buffalo, NY 1850.

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