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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 10-18-2006 10:51 AM
As this post did not even elicit one response in the jewelry forum, I am moving it here, where I was originally going to post it. This is a coin silver pendant that dates to the 19th century. It is completely unmarked. It looks as though the original jump ring at the top broke off at some point and another was added to the back of the piece. The size of the pendant is approx. 1 3/8" diameter. The dark spot on the back appears to be from a previous owner's acid test. I am stumped on its origins. One suggestion is Indian Trade. I would like to hear anybody else' opinion.
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 10-18-2006 12:29 PM
Cleaning out the desk is not something I relish. To break up the time I jump on the computer and by golly what do I see. To me it is a handcrafted 1920's eagle. O'well, it was a decent guess. IP: Logged |
dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 10-18-2006 01:05 PM
Saw your original post and was hoping someone with more knowledge would respond. Have handled a couple of trade silver charms/pendants, one marked with a similar soldered ring (the original one), one unmarked with a simple hole pierced at the top. Both were very lightweight and had engraving similar to yours. Understand that these pieces are being copied up in Canada and sold for as antiques, apparently most of the forgeries also have maker's marks. Have been meaning to buy a 1980 book put out by National Museums of Canada called Covenant Chain: Indian Ceremonial and Trade Silver by Jayne Frederickson. Pretty inexpensive in paperback, finances just a bit tight lately (as usual). Cheryl ;o)
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 10-18-2006 03:05 PM
There is a later one - Silver in the Fur Trade (1995) by Martha Wilson Hamilton. It has 236 pages, soft cover, b&w and color illustrations, including marks. It shows nothing like this one, although I doubt all types would have been available to be photographed. It is an interesting looking piece, but one thing bothers me about this, is that the eagle is not the typical American Federal Eagle (which this evidently represents) one would expect from someone working contemporaneously - they would be expected to know that the Federal Eagle bears a striped shield on its breast, and not a heart; there are also other details (wing position, lack of the olive branch and arrows in the feet, etc,). The illustrated examples in the book include a number of armbands with engraved Federal Eagles, all of which, although of uneven quality, are true to the details. This is sufficiently impressionistic that it makes me suspicious that is was made by someone unfamiliar with the symbolism. The addition of the rope is aberrant - it seems to carry a nautical or perhaps ceremonial connotation. The pendants in the book are larger than this one (if that is what it is/was). I don't have enough experience with trade silver to say that it is not contemporary, but I am suspicious. There is a thread dealing with a forged gorget (Joseph Richardson), which may be interesting. IP: Logged |
Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 10-18-2006 04:33 PM
This is not a reproduction. Whether it is Indian Trade or not, I don't know for certain, but I can say it is definitely an antique piece and not a newer item with simulated wear and tear. I have received some interesting replies via email, and when I have more time, I will summarize those here. [This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 10-18-2006).] IP: Logged |
FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 10-18-2006 06:18 PM
Both of those books are excellent. But this is not like any piece of trade silver I've seen or handled in several ways, and particularly in design and execution. What it most reminds me of is 'folk' pieces made by amateur jewelers. In this case, the image of an eagle with a heart (reminiscent of the shield in some military eagles) makes me think of a lovers' token. And sorry, Paul, for not having responded when this was first posted. I saw it, and thought about it, but have been buried in work and dealing with a couple of deaths in the professional family, the second rather close.... IP: Logged |
Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 10-18-2006 07:39 PM
I also posted about this pendant, as well as another bracelet at the same time, on the Yahoo discussion group Silver Forum, which stimulated these two interesting and informative replies:
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 10-19-2006 08:12 AM
With all due respect, to my eye it definitely is not Pacific Northwest, and that's an area I know pretty well. Nor is it likely Navajo. I have seen a few Native folk pieces from the Great Basin and Plains areas that have some similarities, but overall it doesn't feel like that. I could be wrong, but Native North America is one of my main professional domains for the past 25 years so I offer this for what it's worth. If I were to guess date, I'd put it around 1870-80 or thereabouts. And I'd still incline towards it being a folk piece, possibly from a sailor (with the rope motif). IP: Logged |
Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 10-19-2006 11:09 AM
The applied rope design also made me question Native American origins. IP: Logged |
argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 10-19-2006 11:36 AM
Look at the eagles made during the Roosevelt Era New Deal time period 1933-1938. The head, beak and wings are all similar. I could very well be wrong but there is a similarity. IP: Logged |
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 10-19-2006 11:41 AM
The "European influenced" bracelet shown by your correspondant actually shows the typical American Federal Eagle - it has all the requisite elements: breast shield, spread wings, arrows and (?) olive branches grasped in the claws. This is more like silver ornaments made for the Indians rather than by them. The eagle head on the other bracelet looks to be more representative of a NW Indian totem figure. IP: Logged |
vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 10-19-2006 04:03 PM
The rope and heart motif remind me of sailor valentines. Maybe a sailor made it for a sweetheart? IP: Logged |
Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 10-22-2006 02:25 AM
My guess would be this is fraternal, part of some Order of the Eagle Lodge. It has a Masonic air about it. Sometimes early or rural lodges had pieces done up by local jewelers who were not great smiths. But did a passable job. Once had a Masonic lodge pie server with about this level of engraving. Nice piece, thanks for sharing. IP: Logged |
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