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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even though I knew there was a repair to the handle/bowl juncture I had to have it. The federal shield and sunburst grabbed my attention.


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FWG

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And rightly so - beautiful work! What's the whole piece? Teaspoon? Ladle?

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a 7 1/4 inch spoon. Mark is I.Sayre

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Polly

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is the rising sun-man symbolic of anything in particular, do you know? Something Masonic, maybe?

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wev
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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is part of Masonic iconography

but also used in its general sense of new beginning, end of darkness, etc.

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Rising Sunburst was a common decorative motif aound the 2nd half of the 18th century and a bit into the nineteenth century. It is seen often on paper items and carved into wood objects. I do not think, actually do not know, if it is attributable to any fraternal groups.

Just saw your masonic piece Wev. Where do you come up with these great pieces? I'll give 75 cents plus tax; like sure you will.
Is it signed?

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wev
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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Early days of that web auction site -- for a song.

It is from Lodge No 6, Dublin and dated 1765 (the only earlier Irish jewel (1763) is in the Royal Irish Masonic Museum). It is not signed, which is typical. Here is the other side

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah the early days. how things have changed!

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
argentum1,

swarter & I are curious ... Are there maker's marks?

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always enjoy a nice bit of engraving. Some of the best federal period flatware engraving seems to come out of New York. The Sayre shop produced some great examples like yours, but I am partial to John Burger.

Thanks for sharing,

Brent

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2008 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The mark on the back of the spoon is for John Sayre I.SAYRE

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FredZ

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By coincidence, I have acquired a damaged Sayre spoon. I will need to look to see if it is bright cut as well.

I was talking to a collector in Long Island about the addiction to silver. I hear there is treatment. All I have found is buying more.

Fred

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-30-2008 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, there is a cure for silver addiction. It is called 'the grave'. When I go they will have to pry my dead, boney fingers off that last teapot. Of course by then I will have a bunch of disappointed relatives as I will have spent my last, thin dime on that teapot.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2008 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Above is a very similar spoon to that shown by argentum1. This one is a teaspoon by the Philadelphia silversmith Samuel Alexander, but it does not have the sunburst behind the shield. The rest of the engraving carries forth the same design elements and probably was made around the same time. I think both spoons are very attractive.

Argentum1 and I should not go shopping together.

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2008 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are correct in that we should not go shopping togeather. It would be embarrassing, two grown adults getting tossed into jail for getting into a knockdown and dragout fight over a spoon.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 05-19-2013 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wev:
It is part of Masonic iconography

but also used in its general sense of new beginning, end of darkness, etc.


quote:
Originally posted by wev:
Early days of that web auction site -- for a song.

It is from Lodge No 6, Dublin and dated 1765 (the only earlier Irish jewel (1763) is in the Royal Irish Masonic Museum). It is not signed, which is typical. Here is the other side


Because of some similarly...


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