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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 01-29-2008 03:04 PM
  
I do not collect specific items, i.e. sugar bowls or specific silversmiths but rather for interesting features of the item. I purchased these tongs for the grip (bowl end). I have a number of shell end tongs but these shells made me take a second look. They have a plain flat outside border and on the inside is the apparent hand cutting by the die maker. I have never seen this specific shell grip before so out comes the credit card. Boy, I hope congress hurries up with that rebate. The tongs are by Joel sayre. SWARTER advised this to be by Jacob Schaeffer of Washington, Pa. Thank you Swarter. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-29-2008 05:18 PM
The mark is that of Jacob Schaeffer of Washington, PA, and not Joel Sayre. IP: Logged |
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 01-29-2008 05:59 PM
Mystery #7,829 cleared up. Thanks for correcting me. I always thought that was an alternate mark for Sayre. What are his dates? Maurice Brix has a book on Pa silversmiths published in 1920. I have read that he was to publish a Pa silversmiths book with marks. Did he do so as I can not find a listing for it. Thank you for any assistance. [This message has been edited by argentum1 (edited 01-29-2008).] IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-30-2008 09:52 AM
The only Brix I know of or find any record of is the Philadelphia list published in 1920. This also gives allied trades, but no marks or information beyond name, trade, and dates in the directory. Personally I'd recommend a photocopy rather than an original at the exorbitant prices those now command. I also have Gerstell's Lancaster book, but those are the only PA references I have. What's the reference for Schaeffer? I can't remember ever seeing that identified. Those wonderfully crude shells do fit well with a relatively rural western PA location. [This message has been edited by FWG (edited 01-30-2008).] IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 01-30-2008 09:54 AM
Or you could just go here: Brix IP: Logged |
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FWG Posts: 845 |
posted 01-30-2008 10:01 AM
Quite right - sorry, wev, I had forgotten you had put that up. I've had the photocopy for years.... IP: Logged |
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 01-30-2008 10:16 AM
I have seen the Brix site before but rarely use it as there are no illustrated marks. Those references using photos are preferable but can be pricey. I had the Lancaster book but loaned it out and the borrower said he lost it. So now I am buying a new(used) copy. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-30-2008 04:09 PM
quote: 1758-1852, w. before 1792-1850. IP: Logged |
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 01-30-2008 04:25 PM
Swarter, I do not find Schaeffer in the list by Brix. Where is he listed. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 01-30-2008 09:51 PM
Jacob Schaffer is listed in James Biser Whisker's book on Pennsylvania Silversmiths, Goldsmiths and Pewterers, 1684-1900. Whisker does not have any photographs of marks, but he states that Schaffer's silverware was marked with "roman type in a rectanglar die mark." He referenced Beers, History of Washington County. For as long as Schaffer practiced as a silversmith I would think that his silver would not be all that rare. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 01-31-2008 09:17 AM
quote: It is not that rare - there are quite a few spoons. He has several marks (from my own research and Winterthur's); all but his full name mark are often misidentified. His only published piece is a silver-hilted sword with his full name mark, and that is listed as "location unknown." IP: Logged |
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avalata Posts: 61 |
posted 04-10-2016 01:56 PM
I thought I'd add pictures of a very similar pair of sugar tongs with Jacob Schaffer's full name mark. It's nice when pieces are so distinctive as to confirm a mark (though in this case the mark has already been confirmed through other means)! IP: Logged |
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